90sgamer92 on 31/7/2015 at 10:03
Why the hell is a japanese console RPG number one on a PC RPG list? If Dark Souls is a PC RPG, then so is FF7. This thing has a fair amount of good classics in it (so many lists that don't include Pool of Radiance, Dungeon Master, any Wizardry or Ultima title, yet have room for every single thing Bioware/Obsidian ever made), but the placement seems completely random
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Dead Space didn't do anything for me, horrorwise. DS2 had the
eye surgery sequence tho, which is one of the most uncomfortable things I've played through. Ick. :sweat:
I've tried to think why Dead Space isn't scary. I played DS2 before SS2 and after the intro sequence it was never scary to me, but SS2 is one of the scariest gaming experiences I've had even though its far less scary from a visual perspective (same goes for Silent Hill 1, an even more visually outdated game). I guess it comes to down to audio design. The lighting and environmental story telling in Dead Space 1 and 2 is very well done, but there's no subtlety. Whenever you meet monsters the soundtrack starts booming and the game gets super loud. It's just so obvious. Another contributing factor is likely the fact that I played SS2 with headphones on, so I was much more immersed in the experience.
Some Tom Cruise movie from the 2000s (can't remember the name) also had a similar
eye surgery sequence, I wonder if it's ripped off from that?
Sulphur on 31/7/2015 at 19:03
Minority Report. Possibly inspiration, I guess? I don't know; and anyway, it wasn't as icky a scene to me as the eyeslice from Un Chien Andalou.
I think it's funny that people have started comparing SS2 to Dead Space when DS1 is essentially an homage to SS2 - environmental design, plot twist et al. Dead Space 1's ambient audio design was the best part about it, especially if you were playing it on surround speakers. The far-off clanging, the sound of things bumping in the dark, and the soft whispering behind your ears made for a memorably unsettling experience. DS1 was definitely more of a horror game than DS2, which did a pretty good job of escalating proceedings towards straight-out action horror, but it lost much of the atmosphere in the process.
Renault on 31/7/2015 at 19:22
Yeah, the most apt comparison I've heard is that DS1 is to DS2 as Alien is to Aliens, on the horror/action side of things.
Personally, I loved DS1, but I got bored with DS2 and probably only made it 25% through.
Sulphur on 31/7/2015 at 19:27
Yup. I agree because I'm pretty sure the person who said that was me. :D
90sgamer92 on 31/7/2015 at 19:44
I started DS1 few days ago, I'm only 1½-2 hours in (just finished the first 0 gravity section) and so far I haven't noticed much of a difference between DS1 and DS2. Though it's been nearly 4 years when I finished DS2. Atleast I can tell that there's a clear difference between DS1/2 and DS3.
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Minority Report. Possibly inspiration, I guess? I don't know; and anyway, it wasn't as icky a scene to me as the eyeslice from Un Chien Andalou.
Actually what I was thinking was Final Destination 5 (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRsznqHdW7Y)
Starker on 1/8/2015 at 03:47
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Why the hell is a japanese console RPG number one on a PC RPG list?
It's just that good. You might as well ask why Silent Hill 2 is on a PC horror list. It actually has a very WRPG feel to it. It's like a mirror universe response to Anachronox.
PigLick on 1/8/2015 at 04:51
Yeh I think the number 1 horror is a typo. As much as I enjoyed Call of Pripyat and think it is the superior game in many ways, Shadow of Chernobyl is much more horrifying.
90sgamer92 on 1/8/2015 at 11:20
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It's just that good. You might as well ask why Silent Hill 2 is on a PC horror list. It actually has a very WRPG feel to it. It's like a mirror universe response to Anachronox.
Don't get me wrong, I love Bloodborne and the Souls series. But you can't call a game that was designed for game pads and the ported to PC years later a CRPG. And it's also a very new franchise, it doesn't hold much historical weight the same way titles like Ultima, Wizardry, Goldbox games and Infinity Engine RPGs do. That's not to say you should pick an old game that isn't as good in the number one spot just because of its historical significance, but I think that a CRPG list should emphasize PC gaming culture.
Starker on 1/8/2015 at 13:47
It's not a CRPG list though. It's a list of RPGs on PC. And I don't really see why Dark Souls being designed for gamepads would matter to anyone who isn't a hardcore KB&mouse evangelist. There are flight sims designed with joysticks in mind and racing games designed with racing wheels in mind and fighting games designed with gamepads/fight sticks in mind. One of the strengths of PC gaming has always been great flexibility as far as peripherals are concerned.
And Dark Souls may not have historical significance now, but it will. It's a seminal game. There are already games being made that are influenced by it. Big important games like Witcher 3.
