icemann on 15/5/2015 at 14:08
Yup
Malleus on 15/5/2015 at 14:28
I was going to say "System Shock games aren't really FPSs or at least they are more than that", but glancing through the list I'm not really sure what their definition of FPS is actually, with the inclusion of Thief 2, Dishonored and Mirror's Edge.
Btw, they mention it on the (
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/05/13/best-fps/8/) last page.
henke on 15/5/2015 at 15:18
Actually he mentions SS2 on the first page where he lays out what defines a FPS in his view:
Quote:
But what makes a first-person shooter? It's a question which has haunted me a little during the making of this feature. Does it have to be primarily about shooting? Maybe not, but I feel that has to be your primary means of interaction with other characters. Clubbing someone unaware with a blackjack counts, as you're taking aim and harming someone (even if you usually refuse the option to), but if you have the option to talk to someone (or monster) instead, we're heading off into roleplaying game territory. So, no Deus Ex. I felt similarly about games which see you spend a whole lot of time worrying about inventories or choosing skills. Exceptions were made, but only when the shooting side of things was rock-solid. So, no System Shock 2 either. It's excellent at many things, but shooting sure ain't one of them (and in any case, I don't doubt we'll hear from it if and when we do an RPG one of these).
Not that I agree with that definition. Way too inclusive. If I were to make a top 50 fps list I'd include only games that are primarily and pretty much
only about shooting things. So, great as they are, it would not include Thief 2, Mirror's Edge, Chronicles of Riddick, Zeno Clash and Dishonored. I'm crazy about the idea of tactical shooters like Rainbow Six and Arma being in there either. And MP FPS's should be a separate category. Stealth-action games like Far Cry 3 and melee-heavy games like Shadow Warrior would be edge-cases.
As usual when someone on the internet puts together a list, everyone else on the internet could do it wayyyyy better. Including me!
WingedKagouti on 15/5/2015 at 15:57
Quote Posted by henke
As usual when someone on the internet puts together a list
They're doing it to get ad revenue for whichever site they wrote the list for. Especially if that site splits lists into multiple pages.
henke on 15/5/2015 at 16:31
If you wanna be cynical you might argue that anything any gaming site writes is just to get ad revenue.
Being gamers who enjoy thinking about what the best games in a given genre are might just play into it as well!
Starker on 15/5/2015 at 16:58
Hmm... third greatest shooter is Thief, apparently. Okay then.
Also, no Painkiller? What a rubbish list.
Sulphur on 15/5/2015 at 19:55
Yeah, those are great criteria. Most of us would've spent most of Mirror's Edge and Thief wandering about and shooting people, after all.
Severian_Silk on 15/5/2015 at 21:42
It really is a weird list. Deus Ex is not considered an FPS, while Dishonored, which is pretty much a clone of Deus Ex mixed up with Thief, is :p ?
Oh, and there's no Blood on there :p !
heywood on 15/5/2015 at 21:53
I get that SS2 is not a FPS. It's an RPG. Deus Ex straddles the fence, could be in or out. But if Deus Ex is out, so should a lot of others. Like Descent. :weird:
And what's with Quake being all the way down in #37, behind everything it spawned? Behind even a Quake mod (Action Quake in #13)?
And Halo in #31?
And no Marathon?
And why is UT 2004 the only Unreal game on this list? Surely Unreal 1 and the first UT were bigger FPS landmarks.
This is like reading one gamer's personal favorites list, not a best of all time list. I used to better from RPS.
Pyrian on 15/5/2015 at 22:06
I would actually put SS2 higher in "shootiness" than Deus Ex, Dishonored, or Thief. The latter are all games where you could shoot things, but it's not necessary and often outright discouraged. SS2... You pretty much shoot your way through. There exists melee, turrets you can hack, and invisibility, but those solutions are not the focus of the game.
