PigLick on 18/6/2008 at 12:53
not in control of our bodies or minds, thats the final, and only explanation
gjspear on 18/6/2008 at 14:01
Quote Posted by BEAR
As Vivian noted, energy cannot be destroyed, but it does change forms. We are all made up of the basic stuff of the universe in one way or another, the things that made up our planet became part of plants and animals, we eat them and they become part of us and our children. Eventually, we die and it starts all over again, we're converted into base materials by bacteria and fungi and move on in the chain. This sounds spiritual and I kind of see it that way sometimes but its also practical. I think most likely, in times of stress or anxiety, our minds play tricks on us. Its well known that our minds use previous images constantly in processing of visual information, in the dark when looking for something, your mind is constantly pattern-matching to assist what you can see, and its no surprised that we sometimes "see" things that are not there.
I'm a fairly open-minded type, but I also try to be rational about things. On the one hand, I'm quite sure that ghosts as our perception of them when we're at home all alone incorrect. However, the quantum world is a spooky one, and there is no telling what can really happen. What, in the end, is the real difference between now and then, here and there? Questions of what time really is rage on to this day (NS had a good article about that the other day but you can only read it if you are a subscriber). As such I can't entirely discount that weird things might happen, echo's of a time and place. That said here is also no real evidence of it, mostly anecdotal so that doesn't mean it happens. I don't think that if something supernatural happens it isn't actually supernatural, but possibly a part of nature we don't quite understand. (but not likely, most likely its totally explainable we just jump to conclusions)
Can you provide a link to the said NS article
Duncan on 18/6/2008 at 14:14
I tend to steer clear of topics such as this, but i'll step up. As a child i was visited by a phantom hand (oh shut up you pervs). Just a hand. Nothing else. It awoke me from my sleep by tickling me under the chin. I recall thinking it was my father waking me, but soon became fully awake with fright when i saw what it really was. It just hovered there for a moment, then moved away towards the door and vanished (before reaching the door). It stuck in my mind for a long time and i shrugged it off as a simple dream or waking moment (when i was old enough). Strangely enough, i admitted this to my family only recently during a weird dinner conversation to which i discovered, for the first time, that both my siblings have had the same experience of encountering a phantom hand. Now, i am a skeptic, and i do not believe in ghosts or psychic ability or anything supernatural, but it now makes me question what i saw. Not enough though to believe in the supernatural (as i am sure i'm just bat-shit crazy or some other logical explanation), but still interesting. Or interesting enough in that what i may have encountered was partially dreaming while being awake (no idea about what my siblings saw). The mind is a fascinating thing and i only wish i had the intelligence to understand how it works. I do lucid dream a lot, so, yeah, what was i getting at again? Oh yeah, beer. Beer is great. I like beer.
Stitch on 18/6/2008 at 19:13
There are no such thing as ghosts, but goddamn do I like suspending disbelief long enough for a creepy ghost story (see Duncan's post above).
Interestingly enough, many elements of traditional hauntings are actually side effects of carbon monoxide poisoning, the general idea being that haunted house reportings have decreased over time as ventilation and furnace technology have improved. (
http://www.ghostvillage.com/resources/2004/resources_10312004.shtml) Here's an interesting article that details a true "haunting" that turned out to be due entirely to a faulty furnace.
And we're not talking minor haunting symptoms like cold spots, either: "One night I woke up and saw sitting on the foot of my bed a man and a woman. The woman was young, dark and slight, and wore a large picture hat. The man was older, smooth shaven and a little bald. I was paralyzed and could not move, when suddenly I felt a tap on my shoulder and I was able to sit up, and the man and the woman faded away."
nickie on 18/6/2008 at 19:20
Quote Posted by Duncan
Oh yeah, beer. Beer is great. I like beer.
And I'll drink to that. :)
And of course there are such things as ghosts. But what ghosts are, I'll probably never know.
Queue on 18/6/2008 at 20:48
*looking around with glee, and in utter amazement*
This is pretty damn funny--
Yet another ridiculous thread brought to you by Q-Corp, Where we strive to make today worse than yesterday.
Brian T on 18/6/2008 at 20:56
Quote Posted by Duncan
Oh yeah, beer. Beer is great. I like beer.
So this ghost walks into a bar and asks for a Scotch on the rocks and the barman says "I'm sorry we don't serve spirits" HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!
Queue on 18/6/2008 at 21:00
As Casper would say, "That one went right through my head."
Tocky on 19/6/2008 at 00:36
Quote Posted by PigLick
not in control of our bodies or minds, thats the final, and only explanation
That is the scariest thing you could have said.
Also that carbon monoxide thing might explain my room 147 experience because I don't think the flue was working right. Love a fireplace though.
Vernon on 22/6/2008 at 06:10
Quote Posted by Hier
I've always thought "supernatural" described anything that defies the natural laws of the universe. Like God or Santa Clause or miracles or whatever. How does that not make sense?.
This is my point. Nothing exists outside of the natural laws of the universe, so by deduction, nothing exists that is supernatural. So if ghosts did exist, then there would be a scientific, natural explanation. Since they don't, it is an irrational belief. All I am really saying is that it is a contradiction in terms to use the word 'supernatural' when describing anything other than delusional beliefs or experiences that are explicable beyond one's capacity. Also, when I say psychotic, I don't mean 'psycho goes crazy with sharpened pencils in classroom,' I mean "a loss of contact with reality," however small that loss may be