To Boldly Go Where- er, when.... - by oudeis
Parker'sSire on 17/5/2006 at 02:44
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Originally Posted by Scots_Taffer*see Dia approaching at WARP FACTOR 12*
Ha!!
In "real" Star Trek (before the evil ones took over) you can only go up to WF10 !!! And even that was theoretical.
... that'll teach yuh...
.... won't it?
I just realized that I used the word "theoretical" in discussing Warp Factors.
dj_ivocha on 17/5/2006 at 03:13
Quote Posted by Parker'sSire
Ha!!
In "real" Star Trek (before the evil ones took over) you can only go up to WF10 !!! And even that was theoretical.
Didn't they mention Warp 12 or 13 in one of the first 6 movies (was it TMP?). It was actually when the evil ones took over when they established Warp10 as the (unreachable) barrier, except for Voyager's Threshold, that is. :p
Parker'sSire on 17/5/2006 at 04:03
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Originally Posted by dj_ivochaIt was actually when the evil ones took over when they established Warp10 as the (unreachable) barrier...
...to be serious for a minute... (serious???? This is warp speed we're talking about, oh well)
If I remember correctly, the reason they changed the Cochrane scaling from the 23rd to the 24th century was to tighten up the Warp Factor parts of the stories. The original series broke the rule, and they broke the rules in Voyager.
It was actually Roddenberry who officially decided that 10 would be an absolute limit when they created TNG. (Believe it or not, they call it "Eugene's Limit" in the fictional Star Trek world.)
They came up with totally different ways to scale Warp Factors... so WF-5 doesn't mean the same speed in Voyager as it would have meant in TOS.
(
http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/index.php/Warp_factor) here
Then there's the whole "trans warp" thing. where you can go faster than "infinite speed", which is what Warp Factor 10 is supposed to be.
More than infinite? huh???
Reality check: who the hell knows. This stuff ain't real. Even the word "warp" implies that this stuff has nothing to do with the original idea anyway... To me "Warp" implies that the idea was to bend space so that the departure and destination points were very close together... then basically walk from one point to the other....based on the idea that space is curved and even things like a ball you throw up in the air that falls back to the ground travels in a straight line.... the space it's travelling thru is curved in a parabola.
but none of it actually makes any sense anyway.
Like "Photon Torpedoes".
Oh wow... gonna bomb you with LIGHT!!! That'll ruin your day. (I don't wanna hear anyone mention dangerous LASERs either. "Photon Torpedoes" just sounded good.) Could never figure out what the hell made "photon" torpedoes blow up.
and if you need a problem to be created or a way to solve it... just say "subspace" and you're all set.
(sighs)
But you're still Slime Devils and I'm going to make some tea and close my eyes now. I have a headache.
I always get headaches when I get reminded of how much of a Star Trek geek I still must be.
...and Dia's still gonna be pissed.
Dia on 17/5/2006 at 15:06
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Reality check: who the hell knows. This stuff ain't real.
[CENTER]
IT'S FOR REAL! I KNOW IT'S FOR REAL![/CENTER].
The Andorians got to you, right? Or was it the Ferengi? Cardassians? I'll be right over after I squash Mr. Pig like the Slime Devil he is. (Shouldn't take long.)
Don't worry; I'm getting pretty good at the Vulcan Mind Meld. That'll take care of your headache Parker, and get rid of whatever else those damn aliens put inside your head. Promise.
Goddamn aliens.
Fringe on 17/5/2006 at 21:27
I think in the spirit of Nerd Rivalry we need to get this thread to be longer than the concurrently-running Star Wars thread.
Parker'sSire on 18/5/2006 at 00:02
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Originally Posted by DiaI KNOW IT'S FOR REAL!Ok... ok. Yes, I know it's real. It's OK, calm down. ...and... and... put down that stapler. Just give it ...to. me...... there....ok.
Yes, I spoke with Chekhov the other day and he reminded me that we're all getting together next month for a cookout.
And Warp Speed is very real (but only on high end Aston Martins), and Photon Torpedoes use some ..kind of ....photon propulsion where the photons (dangerous stuff) ...uh... propel the torpedo and it goes "sproing"... even tho there's no sound in space.
but, Dia.... Zephram Cochran was not an old drunk.
and one other thing.....
They didn't use the real Voyager...it was actually a Hollywood set
But I'm Ok now, I got rid of the implant and things are almost back to normal.
My dog still seems to want to walk around singing Britney Spears songs and role-playing as Pikachu, but everything else is OK.
Sneaky Slime Devils.
but Mind Melds can be fun, in my experience.
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Originally posted by Scots_TafferIt's called TASTE.
Taffer, are you saying that you DO think that the perfect SciFi movie is Dungeons and Dragons?
Scots Taffer on 18/5/2006 at 00:12
To be honest, I was just messing. I'm a former Trek fan. Still am, if you count that I still think Wrath of Khan is the only one worth revisiting.
I came to Trek with TNG, about halfway through too I might add. I never really got into DS9, although there were some good plotlines and Voyager was just too much soap opera melodrama and not enough meat. The end of DS9 was stupid, as was the end of Voyager. The only satisfactory end of a Star Trek series (that I've seen, I've never watched ALL of the Original Series and I've never watched Enterprise) was the end of The Next Generation and it worked because it had a cohesive continuity to it which enforced the overall moral of TNG Universe.
After I was a fan of TNG, I watched all the movies, I rank them as follows:
- Wrath of Khan ("...buried alive... Buried Alive")
- First Contact (Picard with a Tommy Gun = Win)
- The Undiscovered Country (zero g klingon blood globules)
- Search for Spock (touching, to say the least)
- Generations (it was cheesy but worth Kirk's death)
- The Voyage Home (hahah LDS oh oh oh and HOW CAN YOU BE DEAF ... WITH EAAAAARRRRRS LIKE THAT?)
The Motion Picture and The Final Frontier don't even register for me they were so awful, similarly with Insurrection, which actually made me want to leave the cinema. I never saw Nemesis and don't intend to because I have zero investment in the characters and the franchise. I now could no longer care any less about Star Trek, it's dead to me - but not dead to me in the OMG IT RAPED MY CHILDHOOD, just as in "it got boring, I'm over it".
Parker'sSire on 18/5/2006 at 00:36
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Originally posted by Scots_Taffer...I still think Wrath of Khan is the only one worth revisiting....
...the end of The Next Generation...worked because it had a cohesive continuity to it which enforced the overall moral of TNG Universe.
Then I bow to your previous claim of "taste". :) I agree.
I think the "trilogy" (2,3,4) was the best of the movies... followed by First Contact.
I grew up with TOS... during its first run. Saw the TNG pilot and didn't watch another for 4 years. By then, the stories, writing, acting had gotten good.
The next "Next Gen" story I saw (then in rerun) was "Yesterday's Enterprise"... where the Enterprise C comes back from the future with Tasha Yar (who had already died) on it things got really strange. I liked that and started watching the reruns, got caught up to the new shows and loved it after that.
DS9 had its moments, but I lost interest. Never cared for Voyager that much.
(ducks away from Dia's stapler)
and never watched Enterprise at all... only the first episode.
but, Taffer... you kinda badmouthed Voyager..
so Dia's still gonna rip your nose off.
