To Boldly Go Where- er, when.... - by oudeis
The_Raven on 1/5/2006 at 02:39
I'd say I'm between a casual fan and an obsessed fan and my point of view probably fits more in with littlek's. Grew up watching TNG, couldn't get into DS9 (gave up in the first few seasons before the war started), liked Voyager at the time (but in retrospect lump it in with Enterprise as a missed oppertunity), then there's the original series which I still get a kick out of (I'm a sucker for camp but there is more to it than that) and consider the best star trek movies to be First Contact followed closely by Wrath of Khan.
As for the news about the new film. I'm not really too keen on the idea of Starfleet Academy: How kirk met Spock (really would have liked to see the Romulan War) plus the fact that I'm not a fan of JJ Abrams (Alias was laugh out loud bad and Lost has it's moments but consider it more of an exception).
Parker'sSire on 2/5/2006 at 00:33
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Originally Posted by BEARAnd BTW, First Contact kicked ass.
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Originally Posted by D'Juhn KeepYeah, what happened here then? First Contact is excellent.
I think the problem some fans have is not that the movie sucked... it didn't. I enjoyed it. I even enjoyed (don't hit me Dia) Generations even though I don't think it was very good Science Fiction and had more plot holes than... oh say, Swiss Cheese. And killing off Kirk was just plain stupid.
It was a great action flick, if I remember, but First Contact is, I think, when they started changing Star Trek history and playing around with "canon". Well seasoned (my new term for ... er... older and experienced) Star Trek fans want Star Trek to be Star Trek. They don't like people like Berman and Braga messing around with the universe they love, grew up with, and, in some extreme cases, live in.
A lot of fans didn't like portraying Zephram Cochrane (yes, the character is actually from the orig. series and from ST lore) as a drunk, anti-social, loser who invents a FTL ship out of a used ICBM then tries to get out of trying out his life's work by hiding and running away... and drinking some more.
In case it doesn't make any sense, just imagine if they decided to make a new Thief game, but used a totally different developer and it was decided to change it so that you can see Garrett's face all the time, his past is kinda changed so that things in the first 2 (or 3) games didn't happen, his attitude changes, you don't "sneak" so much and there's a lot more light and killing.
Many of the people here would say...
"no....nnoooooo.....no. Wrong. He wouldn't do this, he didn't do that, that's not how he became a thief, he didn't have 3 girlfriends and a French Bulldog in Thief 2", etc.
That's kinda how many Star Trek fans feel about what that regime did to the Star Trek world. I understand that after Manny Coto took over Enterprise, it started kicking ass. But it was too late - they had long lost the core fans.
The fans feel like
they own Star Trek and have always resented Paramount for seeing it as a cash cow, acting as if the survival and success of ST was Paramount's doing, not the fan's, and having gotten ST almost by accident when they bought Desilu in 1968-9.
but... you're right.
Sometimes even plots with holes and stupid writing can kick ass and be just plain fun.
Dia, just keep repeating to yourself... Spock's Brain, Spock's Brain, Spock's Brain...
Dia on 2/5/2006 at 01:04
I'm not going to hit you, PS. You are a veritable fount of information! Very interesting indeed! If I'm to be totally honest, I have to admit that I was rather entertained by all the ST movies to one degree or another; it's just that after having seen how good they could be (with the original cast) I came away seriously dissappointed after each of the TNG flics.
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A lot of fans didn't like portraying Zephram Cochrane (yes, the character is actually from the orig. series and from ST lore) as a drunk, anti-social, loser who invents a FTL ship out of a used ICBM then tries to get out of trying out his life's work by hiding and running away... and drinking some more.
I happened to LOVE that concept! Talk about a royal :p !! I loved TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise. ('k, well, Enterprise got a little boring towards the last season and I found myself saying 'WTF was THAT??!! at the end of the last episode.) I do agree with you about the reaction of the core fans when things started changing with ST to the point where it just didn't seem to work anymore (at least for me). But I am holding out hope for this next ST movie. And crossing my fingers. And thanks, PS.
*goes off to watch '24' repeating 'Spock's Brain' to herself with a big smile*
BEAR on 6/5/2006 at 14:04
Quote Posted by D'Juhn Keep
Yeah, what happened here then? First Contact is
excellent.
Im glad someone else thought so, I never realized there was any dispute on the matter!
Martin Karne on 7/5/2006 at 08:27
I can say after all those years watching Kirk and Spock on the small screen, whatever it comes good bad I am the man with the final decision to watch it.
I am not a maniacal fan neither I feel like hating it, but DS9 was bad.
And Enterprise, I watched it because there was this nice woman playing the vulcan role, mediocre at best series but sometimes I would say uh oh that was ok in some chapter, which were random and few.
Dia on 7/5/2006 at 13:16
I admit that at first it took a few episodes before I warmed up to DS9 and once I did I enjoyed the series tremendously! Avery Brooks took a little getting used to (I always felt like he was going to start spouting Shakespeare at any given moment), but after the main characters started feeling more comfortable in their roles the series really picked up. I found the whole Cardassian thing intriguing at times (we even named one of our box fish 'Gul Dukat'). And the Ferengi cracked me up (always wanted to name one of our pets 'Moogie'). The only ST series I found to be a little weak at times was 'Enterprise', but even that had a few redeeming moments now and then. As for 'Voyager', Janeway was my hero; I always hoped she and Chakotay would get it on one day *sigh*.
edit: I'd forgotten that Janeway & Chakotay actually did do the deed - when they landed on a strange planet & ended up morphing into another species (they actually had offspring of a sort). But that wasn't exactly what I'd hoped their relationship would become.
PigLick on 7/5/2006 at 14:07
Some of you people watch way too much television
Dia on 7/5/2006 at 14:15
Little kids & long midwest winters will do that to you.
Parker'sSire on 7/5/2006 at 14:29
Actually I think it's genetic... or chemically induced.
I haven't had cable/television in the house for 5 years and I'm still as strange and obsessive as I ever was. The focus just shifts.
... but now that I think of it, when I lived in Fort Wayne (midwest US), I didn't do much.... but....uh.. watch....tv.
