Gingerbread Man on 10/9/2011 at 14:31
Why do put watermelon seeds on your peen before anal, Tocky? Does it help?
Vernon on 10/9/2011 at 18:05
Aesop Rock is shit hot
Tocky on 11/9/2011 at 04:14
Quote Posted by Gingerbread Man
Why do put watermelon seeds on your peen before anal, Tocky? Does it help?
For the planting of RACISM of course.
YOU DARKIES COULDN'T UNDERSTAND ME LIKE MY NAME WAS A POIGNANT LYRIC
Big Bang is like M&M boiled 3 gallons of shroom juice down to a syringe full and then injected it into his eye. I like it as a poem but it sounds dangerously similar to M&Ms rap. Plus I'm old school as in before you were born.
dexterward on 11/9/2011 at 13:46
All you whiteyNegraz calm/stand down, coz you`re in my house now.
@Tocky: 1) you`re just scared of these kids 2) completely do not understand the genre and it`s origins 3) "kinda racist" for your "troglodyte strutting" is rather a fair deal. And it don`t have to be black sir - we`re white, yellow, pink and from Sri Lanka too.
As for "hip-hop is dead" trope, if I had a $ for every time it was rolled out, well, I could probably go out & buy a 12". Everytime I hear it, quote from (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2B4yjQebL8) Pop goes the Weasel springs to mind: "...Hip Hop - has turned into hit pop..." and so on...cuz Vanilla Ice killed it! (who, hilariously, is played by Henry Rollins in this video. While white boys are rappin`)
Only he didn`t, of course. It was still the Golden Era in the background, when supercharged political punches-in-your-face like PE`s Black Steel could get prime time air on MTV, alongside some of the funkiest HH tracks ever. But wait! there`s the gangsta posse on the horizon! Pew, pew, pew...oooh, they came & killed the hip hop again :( Fer shame! But...hang on...what`s this from Staten Island? Why, it`s Wu Tang, led by RZA the Rezzurrecta (geddit?) to the rescue! Cool we live again....only then Master P rolls out his Golden Tank - KABOOM!, hip hop is dead. Again.
Tedious, eh...and then Peanut started throwing stones and...well you get the idea.
I sort of stopped following religiously around 1999 but I`m pretty sure that this (fictional) cycle kept on going. Didn`t Jay Z himself pronounced HH dead few years back? (to sell his new album of course)
My point is, as long as there is a kid with a pen, pad and a good flow (being poor & oppressed does help, no doubt, but is not a necessary requirement. Same for quality beats) HH will thrive. Nerdcore nor crunk won`t kill it, and as long as there is at least one decent record coming out of these subgenres then what`s the problem? Finnish or Polish or indeed Sri LAnkan kids caught & ran away with it too, might be slightly inaccessible outside English speakers but so what.
As for Kabuto - can`t download, can`t tell - but he sounds very funny here and makes some valid points. (Wtf is BACKPACKER? :)
Tocky on 11/9/2011 at 15:25
Quote Posted by dexterward
@Tocky: 1) you`re just scared of these kids 2) completely do not understand the genre and it`s origins 3) "kinda racist" for your "troglodyte strutting" is rather a fair deal. And it don`t have to be black sir - we`re white, yellow, pink and from Sri Lanka too.
Scared? No. Is that some dismissal you have heard your friends use so you feel it is valid automaticly because it keeps you from looking in the mirror and seeing how comical troglodyte strutting is? Why is trog strutting "kinda racist" when race was not mentioned and it has been done to death by white rappers as well? White, yellow, pink, yeah. It's still funny and a little sad that whichever race feels so threatened that it does display behavior in music cannot recognize that it does not come from a position of strength to do so. Chest puffing is an avoidance behavior. It's not a bad thing in that it can avoid violence and that is a good thing but anyone finding fault in me for racism and my finding humor in that behavior has had something fly over thier head and they don't even know what it is.
dexterward on 11/9/2011 at 15:59
Quote Posted by Tocky
Scared? No.
No? Well, I am, sometime. Still I recognise that a) maybe when you grew up in a warzone that is a ghetto this is the language you know b) most of it - at least used by rappers with some sense - is just a god damn metaphor...all the " dropping bombs" & "slaying MCs". And when it isn`t I`m not the one to judge them for that, because I was lucky to come from the area when all you had to be worried about was being slightly poor & getting into fisticuffs once a year.
It`s also not from my friends dismissal, but watching my middle-class acquaintances moving into rough areas and crooning about how cheap it is and how they love the "character" - if only not for that threatening white/black thrash natives that happen to still be there. And from countless bar/club managers who upon hearing that I play soul/funk were like: yay! to instantly pulling a long face when it came to "...and hip hop". "Uhh...it`s bit ...threatening, you know?"
Admittedly, I do not know you and my judgment came from that particular post above so if reality is different I do apologise.
henke on 11/9/2011 at 16:00
Quote Posted by dexterward
you`re in my house now.
For someone who doesn't know what a backpacker is, and doesn't know that it was Nas who proclaimed "hip hop is dead" a few years back, you sure do seem to speak with confidence on the subject of hip-hop.
dexterward on 11/9/2011 at 16:18
Is it really necessary to pepper every ("in my house") statement like this with FREE EMOTICONS as to indicate irony?
As for Jay-Z - gee, you`re right. Also:
Quote:
I sort of stopped following religiously around 1999
And from Wiki: "the artists (Jay - Z) collaborated on Nas' Def Jam debut, Hip Hop is Dead"
Wrong name, still proves the point though.
Tocky on 11/9/2011 at 17:01
Quote Posted by dexterward
No? Well, I am, sometime.
Me too but, like you, it's a fear for society. I just dont' give people a pass for self destructive and society destructive behavior. I understand gansta came from a position of powerlessness but it still annoys me that the generation before had such self awareness and pride that it changed a nation yet this one seems so shallow and unreflective it can glamorize it's own worst element without the slightest acknowledgment of how stupid it is to do so. The Godfather and Goodfellas did the same in thier own way. Hopefully with both the majority gets the hype is shellac over bullshit.
Maybe I am less compassionate than I should be in my poking fun though. Never stop judging, just reserve your harshest judgement for yourself I reckon. This has become way deeper than I intended and I don't have the time just now. Peace out.
