Lytha on 1/2/2007 at 14:22

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UESP:
Vindasel - (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Vindasel)
Umbra (level 50, always, it says)


Lost Boy Cavern - (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Lost_Boy_Cavern)
"If you enter Lost Boy's Hidden Bastion and are not yet level 23, you will be unable to attack Erandur Vanagaril at all (even if you come back at a later level!)."


I happily walked into Vindasel at level 7 or so. To my surprise (there were daedra type monsters outside of it), I was greeted by rats and mudcrabs instead of conjurers and more daedra. Then, I saw someone standing in the last room. Not expecting anything remarkable or even non-hostile, I shot her in the back.

And then, I kinda had a massive problem, and my last save from before I had this place marked on my map was a while back - and I have an obsession about places being marked on my map. What's mapped needs to be explored. So, I had to reload quite a bit... :(

Lytha on 1/2/2007 at 16:11

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Umbra is really disencouraging. Just across the water from home, directly at a street - and blam, level 50 uberness. Alright, I shouldn't have shot her in the back, but I had bad experiences with approaching humans in dungeons before: "Hi, are you a friendly NPC and do you have a quest for me?" - *Humanoid summons some skeleton or armor and attacks / turns out to be a vampire and gives me the creeps and a vampirism-virus infection*


Yes, I had found that pillar, too. But after 20 minutes of aim&miss, it became apparent that it would be a tedious process with my iron bow and iron arrows (besides, I only had 50-100 arrows with me at that point; I was training my strength and killed monsters with my fine steel short sword.)

And I realized that this couldn't have been "normal", so I rather alt-tabbed and checked UESP instead of hitting her with all my arrows or turning the difficulty all the way down. I'm actually not sure if my level 7 character could actually have defeated Umbra at the lowest difficulty...

I'll visit her again... in a while. All those traps might come in useful.


I still happily walk into whatever mapmarker I find, but if it's in some way awkward I check if it's quest-related or something.



Ah, another weirdness!

- while in Hackdirt, containers and stuff may not be marked with the red icon. But when you pick up the stuff infront of the eyes of the NPCs (for instance: if you loot the chests in the shop while the shopkeeper is glaring at you), they might actually report your action to the authorities, and you get a nasty bounty.

Lytha on 1/2/2007 at 16:49

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Yes. :)

Dar-Ma was the first NPC to react positively on my character (I don't know what the problem was, but everyone else kinda loathed (disposition: <35) my woodelf at the start... might have been the fact that she proudly sported a set of stolen armor from The Best Defense, who knows), so I rushed to the rescue when I heard that she was in trouble.

Last time I was there, a new bunch of those brethren had spawned and then the shopkeeper and the innkeeper kinda ran away into the woods, only because I entered their houses and gave them a glare. I hope some spriggans have eaten them...


Anyway, I had worked with the shopkeeper's disposition before I went for her boxes. She was at around 50-60 before I took those nifty arrows, and then all nasty again. "How dare you steal from me!" The items had a red hand icon -in my inventory- afterwards, IIRC. The boxes didn't, so I thought they were for public access.

The pirates on the Waterfront are kinda possessive about public boxes and barrels in their range of sight as well.

Lytha on 1/2/2007 at 18:29

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I'm a harmless goodie-two-shoes with 125 fame and only 9 infamy, 1 day in jail for a quill and highest bounty of ~200 (Sanguine), and 0 tresspassings (hah, if they'd only know...) and so I naturally don't know nothing about the pirate ship yet (except that at one point I gave in and visited the DB sanctuary and have now a certain clue about the 2nd objective being related to that ship in some way.) But that was in a different life, before I reloaded the save before my "just testing!"-murder of Eugal Belette... I have murdered again since then (daedric quests for the murderer-count?), but I still ignore that initial DB quest.

Still, there's no reason to go "wah, that's MY box" when I am looting the box near the warehouse and the pirate happens to look at me. They haven't reported such incidents as a crime though.

Pisces on 2/2/2007 at 00:06

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One of the first things I did in the game was walk onto that pirate ship, I got some good swords out of it for a level 1 character after the guards butched everyone on the deck.