Nameless Voice on 19/5/2007 at 16:16
light_bright can't be turned on properly while in game mode. Surfaces which are currently drawn are not affected. You need to switch to the menu and back to the game (hit Esc twice) for changes to take effect.
Sneak on 19/5/2007 at 20:12
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
light_bright can't be turned on properly while in game mode. Surfaces which are currently drawn are not affected. You need to switch to the menu and back to the game (hit Esc twice) for changes to take effect.
OK got it. Well I tried toggle_dithering in game mode a bunch of times and nothing changed at all. I hit Shift ; to bring up the console, typed toggle_dithering in the box at the top of the screen, then hit return. Nadda on several attempts.
Not exactly sure if you meant that the the escape key needed to be used for dithering too but am going to try it real quick.
BRB
Sneak on 19/5/2007 at 20:25
OK I escaped twice so I went back to the menu and then back into game mode after inputting the toggle_dithering command. Nothing happened! Tried it a bunch of times to be sure. Light_bright did work though.
Sad! Keeps looking more like a hardware thing with new cards, especially this 8800 gtx. Still maybe there might be Tweak or a driver or some other fix. Crossing fingers.
Abraxa on 19/5/2007 at 20:41
Quote Posted by Sneak
OK I escaped twice so I went back to the menu and then back into game mode after inputting the toggle_dithering command. Nothing happened! Tried it a bunch of times to be sure. Light_bright did work though.
Sad! Keeps looking more like a hardware thing with new cards, especially this 8800 gtx. Still maybe there might be Tweak or a driver or some other fix. Crossing fingers.
Have you tested it on Vista & WinXP? The drivers are different for each OS.
Did anyone fill out a NVIDIA Vista bug report form? (
http://www.nvidia.com/object/vistaqualityassurance.html) (bottom of page)
bikerdude on 19/5/2007 at 21:52
yes, but your testing it on older hardware, when i get round to it I will test it on the 8800..
biker
nb. youe screen shot are too dark dude, cant see anything.
Nameless Voice on 19/5/2007 at 23:00
I know those screenshots are on 'older hardware', but since Thief 2 has dithering turned on by default, I'm sure there will be no difference on the GF 8800.
Also, the screenshots are perfectly visible for me. I think nVidia graphics cards are worse for being able to see dark screenshots - everyone I've talked to who complained about screenshots being too dark was always using an nVidia.
Incidentally, off-topic, but if that's the performance of your CRT you've found in your hunt for perfect blackness - the inability to see anything in a scene which is even remotely dark - then I don't want it.
smithpd on 20/5/2007 at 00:49
Your screen shots look totally black to me. The problem with screen shots is that the gamma used in the Thief game is not reflected in the recording of the screen shot. That is apparently because the RGB values in the video card's memory have no gamma correction, and Thief is somehow changing the display gamma (but not the screen shot). I have the same problem if I take a screen shot using Thief or Hypersnap. The image comes back with gamma = 1.0, but 1.8 is needed for display on my monitor. I do not have that problem with screen shots taken of web images or my Windows screen, because those images and my display card are properly calibrated and matched to my monitor.
If you play Thief with gamma turned way down, that means you probably have a super bright LCD monitor, so lack of gamma correction in the screen shot doesn't make much difference to you. It does make a difference to me and to many others.
In my case, I have an older CRT monitor, and I (or others) need to edit screen shots to add a gamma of about 1.8 to see Thief screen shots correctly. If you have such a super bright monitor, then most other graphics look bright to you anyway, right? So why not give the rest of us a break and edit the gamma so we can all see the screen shots?
I think the gamma of a screen shot cannot depend on which video card you have. The card just displays an RGB signal. Thief adds gamma. Your browser does not. In spite of the fact that it is old, I have calibrated my monitor, so I think I am seeing your image correctly -- as nearly black.
bikerdude on 20/5/2007 at 01:31
what smithpd said...
Quote:
I know those screenshots are on 'older hardware', but since Thief 2 has dithering turned on by default, I'm sure there will be no difference on the GF 8800.
Ok, so as this is a 8800 thread im puzzled, what are you trying to show or indicate..?
biker
Sneak on 20/5/2007 at 04:19
I will 3rd the motion Nameless, your screen shots are so dark I can not see them. It has been a long time since I posted a Thief pic on a Thief forum but I always had to brighten them up in a picture editor before uploading so they could be seen well. And I sure would like to see them too.
And in general: When I did the toggle_dithering nothing changed at all onscreen. I tried it a bunch. And my video card is an 8800 gtx running on Win XP SP2.
Bikerdude, let me know what happens when you test it on yours. You never know.
