bikerdude on 5/5/2007 at 17:51
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Did you try the driver that is not the Z-tweaked but the straight Nvidia to see what would happen or will that not work with the 7900?
yes and non modded drivers wont work as they wont support the older card/s
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Also on that 7900 card, are all textures, sky, and water corrected?
Everything but the sky is as it should be, but remember it wont be as pretty as an Ati card would be( ie. colours and coronas etc)
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Looks like I may be hunting down a second PCI-e card. I have 3 PCI-e slots on my new Mobo. And I am not doing SLI so I will use it to try this. Is just a matter of which video card.
Same here, Im undesided on what card to get, as you say the 5900 was the last perfect card for Thief. there should be no reason why not, but i wonder if i can have an Ati 9x00/Xx00 PCI card along side my 8800 - more research is in order
biker
BrendaEM on 5/5/2007 at 18:13
I had wondered if the card/driver IS doing 16-bit rendering, but composting has been reduced to 8-bits.
If you look at the screenshots at the start of this thread, the full-bright textures such as the building facade between the fence, look similar in both shots. Perhaps the lightmap is added/mutiplied, perhaps that color-math process is 8-bit. Perhaps the transparency bug, the sky bug, and the lightmap bug--are all the same bug.
bikerdude on 5/5/2007 at 18:39
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I had wondered if the card/driver IS doing 16-bit rendering, but composting has been reduced to 8-bits.
If you look at the screenshots at the start of this thread, the full-bright textures such as the building facade between the fence, look similar in both shots. Perhaps the lightmap is added/mutiplied, perhaps that color-math process is 8-bit. Perhaps the transparency bug, the sky bug, and the lightmap bug--are all the same bug.
your getting into tech stuff that I dont know much about Brenda. Suffice to say, what your suggesting sounds like a major mod of the game exe and or drivers
biker
Sneak on 5/5/2007 at 18:40
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yes and non modded drivers wont work as they wont support the older card/s
biker
Can you install separate drivers for the 7900 like you could the 5200? And the reason for that would be so you could still update 8800 drivers as needed for newer games as they come out but still have an older and stable set for the 7900 with Thief and maybe other games with rendering troubles that no one has brought up yet.
There are still new 7900's out there in PCI-e which may be a plus. The 5900 for PCI-e would probably be used. That may be OK if the price is cheap enough. But I am still thinking.
Sneak on 5/5/2007 at 18:43
Quote Posted by BrendaEM
I had wondered if the card/driver IS doing 16-bit rendering, but composting has been reduced to 8-bits.
If you look at the screenshots at the start of this thread, the full-bright textures such as the building facade between the fence, look similar in both shots. Perhaps the lightmap is added/mutiplied, perhaps that color-math process is 8-bit. Perhaps the transparency bug, the sky bug, and the lightmap bug--are all the same bug.
Yeah Brenda, you may be right there. And if it is the same bug that different cards have handled differently then it is set in stone unless some sharp modder can make a game patch for it. At this point as old as Thief is I don't see Eidos making another Patch.
bikerdude on 5/5/2007 at 20:43
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Can you install separate drivers for the 7900 like you could the 5200? And the reason for that would be so you could still update 8800 drivers as needed for newer games as they come out but still have an older and stable set for the 7900 with Thief and maybe other games with rendering troubles that no one has brought up yet.
yes, I have tested the 153.22/85.46 combo. But be aware you have to manually install the older driver (eg. device manager, point to folder location etc, and never overright newer files with old etc etc)
smithpd on 5/5/2007 at 22:56
Hi Sneak.:) This is the ghosting Sneak, right? Peter Smith here. So, are you getting back into Thief?
Driver selection for 7000 series cards is not that easy. The 7000 series cards have some issues for running T1 because recent drivers that support those cards cause T1 to crash. The 7950 GT is even more challenging. T2 and T3 are OK. I have managed to get all three Thief versions running with my 7950 GT. This involves finding modified drivers and maybe replacing the INF file. Check (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113157) this thread for details.
I am interested in this dual video card approach. If you have an SLI capable motherboard with two PCI-E X16 slots, but SLI is turned off and you don't use the SLI bridge, can you install one card, say a 7950 GT in one PCI-E slot, and the second card, say an ATI card, in another PCI-E slot? That would be a cool way to have both good sky and good fog on demand.
Sneak on 6/5/2007 at 01:37
Quote Posted by smithpd
Hi Sneak.:) This is the ghosting Sneak, right? Peter Smith here. So, are you getting back into Thief?
Driver selection for 7000 series cards is not that easy. The 7000 series cards have some issues for running T1 because recent drivers that support those cards cause T1 to crash. The 7950 GT is even more challenging. T2 and T3 are OK. I have managed to get all three Thief versions running with my 7950 GT. This involves finding modified drivers and maybe replacing the INF file. Check (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113157) this thread for details.
I am interested in this dual video card approach. If you have an SLI capable motherboard with two PCI-E X16 slots, but SLI is turned off and you don't use the SLI bridge, can you install one card, say a 7950 GT in one PCI-E slot, and the second card, say an ATI card, in another PCI-E slot? That would be a cool way to have both good sky and good fog on demand.
Hi Peter Smith,
Has been a while. Yes this is the Ghosting Sneak. And for sure I am back to Thief again. Built a new comp because I could not upgrade from AGP anymore and I needed a new rig anyway. Came out to try some new FM's and they just did not look right. Ended up here trying to figure out the trouble. Right now T Gold looks better than T2 on my comp but even Gold has cruddy shadows.
And yes that seems to be just what Bikerdude has tested for. Two different cards in two different slots with two different drivers and you can switch between the two as needed. Might be the ticket. But after what you posted on the 7000 series I may just look for a 6800 PCI-e. I had the AGP version of that card for years in my last comp and it rendered Thief really well with smooth action. Just the sky looked un-detailed. It was a BFG card and it also ran my 24 inch widescreen monitor flawlessly. I played Oblivion with that card.
Good question on the being able to use an ATI and Nvidia card in different slots in the same comp. Wonder if Biker has an ATI card where he could check.
I should give Bikerdude some Kudos here for running this all down. Nice job. :thumb:
I am going to drop by Fry's tomorrow to see if they have a 6800. Sometimes they have older stuff like that discounted pretty well. The ones I have seen online aren't that cheap.
Will pop in Eidos for a visit Smithpd
bikerdude on 6/5/2007 at 07:09
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I am interested in this dual video card approach. If you have an SLI capable motherboard with two PCI-E X16 slots, but SLI is turned off and you don't use the SLI bridge
When your motherboard is configured for one gfx card, it works on non-sli mode and the second Pci-e clot works in x4 mode. This means you can slap another(any) video card in there.
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Good question on the being able to use an ATI and Nvidia card in different slots in the same comp. Wonder if Biker has an ATI card where he could check.
im going to be picking up an Ati card today to test this.
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I should give Bikerdude some Kudos here for running this all down. Nice job.
Your welcome, anything I can do to keep everyone playing the impressive T1/T2/T3 FM's that get released the better..!!!
biker
bikerdude on 7/5/2007 at 13:03
Well I tried for over 2 hurs to get this to work with an X800XL...
But the nvidia(8800GTX)/ati(X800XL) combo could possibly only work as the Ati card refuses to worl unless its in the first pci-e slot. The ati driver wont install if its in the second slot, I just get BSOD's. So I never got around to putting the 8800 in the second slot - whats the point running the 8800 in a x4 slot...?!
So atm the only way to is to have a 8800GTx 1st clot and a 5x/6x/7x nVidia card in the second slot!
biker
