yxlplig on 1/10/2013 at 22:16
Quote Posted by Chade
There's no ironclad rule that tiles have to be one of the loudest textures in the game. It looks to me that the tile material is now somewhere between the old stone and wood materials. That seems reasonable to me.
However, if there are no textures louder then that at all, that would indeed be a blow to the game.
I think with the original Thief, tile is so loud for mostly game design purposes. They probably decided that with their art style, tiles would appear the least frequently and would provide some gameplay challenge when they were appropriate to use. In my personal experience (real world) from quietest to loudest, it's more like:
Carpet > Stone/Brick/Tile > Wood > Metal walkways
Because when the wood creaks it obviously is way louder. Which I think would provide some really interesting stealth gameplay if you could aim your footsteps. Imagine having to step on the joints where the hardwood pieces are more firmly attached.
So I think there are some arguable points for making tile less loud, as long as there are still loud surfaces in the game. All though let's be honest, they probably just completely screwed with the formula and made every surface too quiet.
Chade on 1/10/2013 at 22:42
Quote Posted by Brethren
We can at least agree the presenter was a tool/douchebag/a-hole though, right? :laff:
Yeah, he is a bit.
Quote Posted by Brethren
Now, how you can argue that sound made from walking on tile is between stone and wood on the volume scale, I can't help you there, you're completely on your own. That does
not seem reasonable to me.
Oh, I'm not saying it's definitely between the two, I'm just looking at the speed he's moving when not swooping, assuming he's moving more or less at optimal speed, and saying he's moving at around the same speed you'd be moving on stone / wood. If stone, he could go a lot faster except for when he is pickpocketing the guards. If wood, he wouldn't be able to get quite so close to the guards moving that quickly.
Or maybe he's just creeping around at that speed because it looks stealthy to the audience, and my entire analysis is bogus! But if that's the case, there's no way to guess how loud the textures are ...
SubJeff on 1/10/2013 at 23:22
I'll say one thing - it looks frakking amazing.
sNeaksieGarrett on 2/10/2013 at 01:29
@jay: I'm certain I've seen that trailer before but didn't pick up on the bit about ghosting.:o Go figure.
But hey, if EM is a large studio and the presenter is either A.) not heavily involved in the production process or B.) A marketing guy, then I can understand him not knowing what "ghost" means. All I'm saying is, I can see how he wouldn't know what "ghosting" is.
But he should know what it means, and based on his response it sounded like to me that he knew what it meant but just wasn't familiar with the term itself. Either that or, as you said it, "he's just trying to think for other people who might not know what ghosting is in the context of Thief games." (In a weird fashion that makes us speculate what he really meant.)
Chade on 2/10/2013 at 01:39
Brethren, I just remembered the information about movement speed we received a little while ago, about crouch movement being basically silent. So yeah, my speculation in earlier posts is wrong. Nearly silent crouch movement tells you nothing about how loud the textures are.
My concern now would not be the loudness of the textures, but the speed at which you can crouch move. I wonder how often I'm going to want to move faster then I can crouch move? It seems like it should be fast enough for most purposes.
Shinrazero on 2/10/2013 at 05:07
Quote Posted by sNeaksieGarrett
Speaking of that, didn't "tutorial" VO get taken out on Hard and Expert in Thief 2? I can't recall.
Also, the person in the audience didn't seem to like Garrett speaking at all, but then again it's hard to really tell if he's just complaining about tutorial VO or Garrett "talking to himself" in general. Personally, I liked hearing Garrett talk in the old games. Makes you kind of connect with the character more I think.
Outside of mission briefings, he really didn't say much during missions and if he did, it was short and simple. This iteration of Garrett seems more chatty to me.
**EDIT
Watched the video again and he talks a LOT, not cynicism but a lot of hand holding dialogue. ALSO is it just me or is the whole sound thing not a thing. I have not seen any video that had distinct sound over the various environments Garrett traverses.
Gaestle on 2/10/2013 at 06:29
Quote Posted by Goldmoon Dawn
Yes, but if you are seriously half way through the game and can basically walk at any speed over tile flooring without the guard right in front of you noticing, and only use swoop to catch up to a guard or hurry from one place to another a short distance away, then why even bother sneaking. If you are silent over tiles anyways, why even have swoop/focus? The pace is more hurried this time around, I get it, but... how does this add to the "stealth" side of things? The new team has always defaulted to swoop as one of its proud talking points when trying to explain what NuStealth is.
My main point was, that the old system was always a little strange to me, playing the best taffer in the whole universe but with maximum noisemakers on his feet.
Quote Posted by Gaestle
On the other hand, I found it always wrong, "Garret the Master-Thief with wooden shoes"...
... instead of e.g. soft leather shoes, better for climbing and quiet movement.
Durinda D'Bry on 2/10/2013 at 07:59
Garrett using wooden shoes for the Balance 'cause he found focus too cheaty:)
SubJeff on 2/10/2013 at 08:17
Quote Posted by Gaestle
My main point was, that the old system was always a little strange to me, playing the best taffer in the whole universe but with maximum noisemakers on his feet.
That was just for player feedback.
Springheel on 2/10/2013 at 13:26
Quote Posted by NuEffect
That was just for player feedback.
That argument might hold water if AI didn't hear them too.
