thiefessa on 19/4/2013 at 23:32

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Nothing stopping us at all. I expect the grapple will mean we're not looking for just wooden surfaces if we wish to ascend to loftier places.

SubJeff on 20/4/2013 at 09:07

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No they didn't.

Why do you say this stuff?

thiefessa on 20/4/2013 at 11:48

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I love science. I respect facts. I enjoy pulling puzzles apart. :cool:

thiefessa on 20/4/2013 at 12:36

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Its good you have a choice. :thumb:
I'll be playing without Focus, on expert mode.

jtr7 on 20/4/2013 at 12:58

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Ah, I see yet another list of what the game provided per mission is necessary? Coming up! You don't need to be a clumsy player to make full use of multiple ropes, and areas in the game are perfect for placing multiple ropes to get to places and things, with Little Big World exploration only possible with multiple ropes, unless cheating's involved.

Gotta play the games more thoroughly to see what you've been missing! I don't know why you say things aren't there when they are RIGHT THERE! LOOK! (rofl?) Maybe you spent all your money on other things and forgot that how you chose to play isn't the only option?


First mission to include rope arrows is Down in the Bonehoard, a training mission in disguise as most of Act I in each game is. This list does not include even more items found in the map along the way, but there is one rope arrow to help players escape the pit with The Face (TDP for sure, I haven't checked difficulty level or Thief Gold):


Next mission with ropes is Thieves' Guild (Gold-only, of course), and you'll remember there's one in a chest to get down into the Overlord's Fancy, but there's also one in the large area just outside Donal's house, and I haven't accounted for any others, but do I need to? And looky here:



Why oh why do I say these things? You've diagnosed me as a "thicko", and you are perplexed? Perhaps you are confusing TDS or thinking of some particular mission in another game, or some mission that had no rope arrows at all--I dunno, but it's clearly not my fault.

Next mission with ropes is, of course, The Sword. All Tricksie missions have ropes, plural!


So far so...good? Next mission's The Haunted Cathedral. I remember lots of stunt jumping to ropes placed across the street, and between beams, and straight climbing up into openings above, climbing out of infested basements... There's a rope arrow in the large burrick cavern, a rope arrow in the booby-trapped apartment around the Mystics' area (a mine set inside near the door), and there's one in the basement room where Gold also has the Fire Shadow.


Next up, The Mage Towers. Of course there are multiple rope arrows for several wooden game spaces and especially the Earth Tower. There's a rope arrow in a side room off the Library, the helpful rope arrow on a pedestal in the Earth Tower, another on the floor, another stuck in a wall, another on the floor, another, and another!


Next, The Lost City. One rope arrow at a campsite near a dead Keeper (possibly Hodge), and one more near another dead Keeper and campsite.


Next! Song of the Caverns. No extra rope arrows in-game.


Undercover provides one rope arrow on Normal only, likely to allow easier access to an area, not for exploration purposes. I used it to get from the floor of the Talisman room up onto the platform before getting the holy symbol and flipping five switches to send the bridge across, but that was just because I could on Normal, and what the heck.

Now, Return to the Haunted Cathedral provides 3 rope arrows, no matter the difficulty, and offers up to 3 more in the store:


And now, Escape! As you may or may not know (who knows, anymore?), Garrett's equipment's gone, and the player has to find some things first--Garrett has Con's sword on him, but you have to find his blackjack. The player can get a flashbomb, a broadhead arrow (along with the bow, which only appears when G has an arrow in his inventory, heh heh), a noisemaker, his purse, and a gas arrow, before starting the mission proper. The player can find up to two rope arrows, depending on difficulty, and locations change. This is supposed to be a challenging mission, and there are many opportunities to use rope arrows and misuse them.

NEXT! Strange Bedfellows. There's a rope arrow in the library, and one at the back of the church. They are not too vital, but they can be useful for makoing shortcuts in the first area below the catacombs, with the pit and crossed beams, surrounded by four elemental pagan shrines.


Lastly for TDP/Gold, Into The Maw Of Chaos. No extra rope arrows in-mission.




Thief II: The Metal Age!

Shipping... and Receiving has two rope arrows in-mission: One in a crate outside, and one in a footlocker up atop huge crates in Building B. Lots of climbing opportunities, mainly good for practicing, and of course, getting at the one secret area that requires a rope arrow, when not using engine exploits or playing in DromEd and turning off gravity.

On to Framed, there's a rope arrow on the floor in the storage area below the big clock in the weapons training room. Again, lots of intentional climbing opportunities, and not a lot of danger in losing a rope arrow.


Ambush! One rope arrow in a toolbox.


NEXT! Eavesdropping.


On to First City Bank & Trust!


Blackmail. There's one on the upper floor of a cottage near sleeping Ekim.


Trail of Blood introduces the Vine Arrows--3 in Viki's realm through the portal.

Life of the Party. Lots of opportunities for using rope arrows! There's another rope arrow in-mission down in the dank, rat-infested room, with the roof torn open, near the run-down, broken-into apartments with the thief squatter warming by a fire.


Precious Cargo.


Kidnap has 3 vine arrows in-mission, on a table in one upper-level room of the Palace, which is a continuity error unless a Pagan agent smuggled it in, or Cavador took them from Lotus, or something.

Casing the Joint.


Masks.


Sabotage at Soulforge. Viki left the player up to 7 vine arrows among her remains.