Chade on 11/6/2013 at 12:34
Quote Posted by jtr7
Okay. You might wanna go check the numbers on each point you made and get back to me.
If anyone knows how to reliably find sales figures for games, please let me know.
That said, Thief 1 reportedly "made millions" for LGS and sold at least half a milllion copies, at a time when selling a couple of hundred thousand was still considered a success.
Cavalorn on 11/6/2013 at 12:48
Quote Posted by jtr7
I'm not talking about TDS, I'm talking about the effect on the forum. No, of course you are not alone. I'm talking about the polarized opinion. TDS was a good game, but it presented too many problems for just talking about the Thief universe and discussion. It fractured the community forever. T4 will drive a stake in it.
You have no idea what's going on, even when I explain it. I can't help you. Thief 4 will suck for me as a player and as a forum member, even if it's a great game, for reasons you completely skipped over.
I don't play FMs for some of the same reasons. Preferences and tastes have nothing to do with it. I am waiting for this game to be presented as a Thief game, and it hasn't been presented as a Thief game, yet. The pile of things I do not like, hate, am bored to death of, or am simply not compatible with, all to varying degrees, are being shown off in this new game's media, and the list of things I love Thief for are hardly present. There's hardly anything new here, but people are acting like it's unique somehow. Brand blindness?
Do I say you love this game, really like it, even though you know "almost nothing" about it and have not played it? No. If you do, though, you are a hypocrite. I owe EM nothing, but you think I do.
You don't like TDS. You don't like FMs. You already dislike the new Thief. Then what do you want or expect? Thief 4 made with Dark Engine with the same features and by the same people?
jtr7 on 11/6/2013 at 12:49
You didn't read what I wrote, and will continue to not read what I wrote. What I expect is more of this from certain members and watching you get angry of reasons of your own choosing. Okey doke.
I never wanted a Thief 4. I wanted more inside info, more behind-the-scenes development stories and more stuff like Emil's Journal. I'm content and satisfied with the games I have. What sucks is how discussions are hamstringed. I'm much more interested in the ideas behind ol' Thief.
Over ten years ago, I and others hoped Thief would revolutionize gaming. It created a ripple. Critical acclaim and a lot of respectful distancing from it.
Cavalorn on 11/6/2013 at 12:58
Quote Posted by jtr7
You didn't read what I wrote, and will continue to not read what I wrote. What I expect is more of this from certain members and watching you get angry of reasons of your own choosing. Okey doke.
I never wanted a Thief 4. I wanted more inside info, more behind-the-scenes development stories and more stuff like Emil's Journal. I'm content and satisfied with the games I have. What sucks is how discussions are hamstringed. I'm much more interested in the ideas behind ol' Thief.
Over ten years ago, I and others hoped Thief would revolutionize gaming. It created a ripple. Critical acclaim and a lot of respectful distancing from it.
Believe me I read everything what you wrote but it still wasn't clear to me. Now I see your point although I can't understand it properly. Oh well, guess it is my problem.
jtr7 on 11/6/2013 at 13:03
I can live with that. People don't have patience for me and are in a damned hurry and don't digest my words. I wish I could show you all how there's little relation to my intentions and perspective and your reactions. I swear if you knew where I was coming from you'd all calm the hell down.
SneakyJack on 11/6/2013 at 13:06
Quote Posted by jtr7
You didn't read what I wrote, and will continue to not read what I wrote. What I expect is more of this from certain members and watching you get angry of reasons of your own choosing. Okey doke.
This is Jtr7-speak for 'You don't agree with my opinion so obviously you don't know how to read so let me speak in circles until neither of us are anywhere near the original point.' Everyone can read what you're saying it's just that most of it is gibberish and makes no sense in the context of the argument.
Quote Posted by jtr7
I never wanted a Thief 4.
This sentence in itself explains it all and makes me wonder further why you even bother to continue posting about it unless it's just to further your 'Heh sheeple :rolleyes: ' smug nonsense and your obsessions for trying to ruin any hope anyone else has for enjoying the game.
Cavalorn on 11/6/2013 at 13:10
Quote Posted by SneakyJack
This sentence in itself explains it all and makes me wonder further why you even bother to continue posting about it unless it's just to further your 'Heh sheeple :rolleyes: ' smug nonsense and your obsessions for trying to ruin any hope anyone else has for enjoying the game.
This a thousand time.
jtr7 on 11/6/2013 at 13:12
We aren't taking things nearly as seriously as you think. CLUE!
How can anyone ruin your hopes for the game? If you like what you like, that can't be undone. Can it? No one's trying to "recruit" people who like what they see. You wanna be so angry at us. This isn't about Thief 4 and you know it! (I hope)
Chade on 11/6/2013 at 13:14
So I'm back from work and have had time to watch the gameplay video again more carefully. Some additional observations:
The use of fog to highlight guards can be seen working well a few times.
There is a light gem as well as the cloak. On the negative side, I only saw three visibility levels.
On focus, combat, and difficulty:
- Focus doesn't regenerate
- Just looking around with focus on burns through the resource
- The focus assisted headshot burnt about 10% of the players focus
- In the initial combat, the player burnt through his entire remaining stock of focus in order to defeat just two guards
- The next guard the player fought killed him
- The player was killed after just three hits from the guards, although he may have been hit an extra time while the camera didn't show the screen
- The focus assisted combat strikes aren't even remotely close to being "insta-kill" buttons
