Judith on 24/1/2015 at 12:22
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Of those, 1280x720 low is definitely the best compromise. Still, at that size they're going to triple the size of the fat SU. For comparison, here's a (
https://copy.com/kB2XOAnH7jeuYT4X) 854x480 version, re-encoded from the 720p youtube version using Handbrake (high profile, quality 23, medium denoising). It's ~8 MB.
This one still looks great, given the size and compression. I watched it fullscreen, on a QHD monitor. Letters are a bit pixelated, but panning images are still quite good. Only 100 MBs of briefing videos would be really awesome.
Beleg Cúthalion on 24/1/2015 at 13:27
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At what timestamp do you see the stutter? Is it when the panned fades start?
IIRC I noticed it during the panned images in the MPEG version. Snobels version (which looks great BTW for 8MB!) has it even less and I cannot remember having seen it on the biks you posted earlier. Well, who knows...
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I think the videos will have to be a separate download until the ffmpeg playback is ready. (In hindsight the fat SU was a bad idea - instead the tweaker should become more of a mod manager so that the mods can be made available for download individually.)
Sorry if I'm not up to date but the ffmpeg support is a feature that'll take you some time to implement? And if nothing else, the fat SU serves as some sort of beta test. Personally I wonder whether or not we'll confuse the audience by bringing new stuff out constantly but hinting at more to come. Maybe I should really start the Inn map overhaul since this is the biggest remaining thing on my to-do list. If that is ready, we can finally finally publish the whole thing. The Heartless Perry Edition, as it were. :p
snobel on 24/1/2015 at 14:41
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Sorry if I'm not up to date but the ffmpeg support is a feature that'll take you some time to implement?
It's more or less working. The biggest problem right now is a ~200 ms audio delay. That's bad for the cutscenes but shouldn't matter much for the briefings. Maybe if I can make my fake Bink DLL load the real one when the file that's being opened is a Bink file...? :sly:
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Personally I wonder whether or not we'll confuse the audience by bringing new stuff out constantly but hinting at more to come.
Probably, but can't be helped when stuff needs to be tested?
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Maybe I should really start the Inn map overhaul since this is the biggest remaining thing on my to-do list.
Yes please... :D
mensch on 25/1/2015 at 18:54
Quote Posted by snobel
Of those, 1280x720 low is definitely the best compromise. Still, at that size they're going to triple the size of the fat SU. For comparison, here's a (
https://copy.com/kB2XOAnH7jeuYT4X) 854x480 version, re-encoded from the 720p youtube version using Handbrake (high profile, quality 23, medium denoising). It's ~8 MB.
I agree with the others, the 854x480 still looks good and ought to mesh well with the original cutscenes. If there's a need for HD versions of the briefings we could always provide a new, separate download. Personally I wouldn't mind downloading large packages in order to get better image quality, but I understand limited bandwidth is a problem in various countries.
Always thought Handbrake was just a DVD ripper, but it turns out it's much more powerful. I've used your configuration to transcode all the briefings, the largest files are now 10MB. I also tried to mimic the settings in RAD Tools and got similar size results, the image quality is not as good. Still serviceable I should think.
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9ihOpC8fxb9UVQtRWlIV3IwbGc/view?usp=sharing) MP4 version (88,5MB)
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9ihOpC8fxb9cFpGdUw0SmU5UWs/view?usp=sharing) BIK version (89,7MB)
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Maybe I should really start the Inn map overhaul since this is the biggest remaining thing on my to-do list. If that is ready, we can finally finally publish the whole thing. The Heartless Perry Edition, as it were. :p
Yes please... :D
Yes, I wholeheartedly concur! :thumb: The Inn as a proper Thief mission would be so great. The original is fine as a tutorial, but the fact that you're suddenly pitted against a guard on full alert with all the exits closed always annoyed me (apart from the fact that it's not really a substantial mission, of course).
EDIT:Just to be sure "briefmuseumalt_engl_none_30" is the briefing where Garrett hasn't pawned the Crown, right?
snobel on 25/1/2015 at 19:12
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I've used your configuration to transcode all the briefings, the largest files are now 10MB. I also tried to mimic the settings in RAD Tools and got similar size results, the image quality is not as good. Still serviceable I should think.
Very cool - I'll try to get a fat beta together one of the coming days.
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Yes, I wholeheartedly concur! :thumb: The Inn as a proper Thief mission would be so great. The original is fine as a tutorial, but the fact that you're suddenly pitted against a guard on full alert with all the exits closed always annoyed me (apart from the fact that it's not really a substantial mission, of course).
I've always wondered what's behind the door at the top of the stairs... :sly:
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Just to be sure "briefmuseumalt_engl_none_30" is the briefing where Garrett hasn't pawned the Crown, right?
Right.
snobel on 26/1/2015 at 10:23
Apparently with Handbrake you get a green line at the right edge unless the width is divisible by 4. :( Can you up it to 856 and re-encode? Also, please use constant frame rate if you didn't already.
The Bink videos have a similar issue with a black line to the right but don't bother with Bink for the time being.
mensch on 26/1/2015 at 16:07
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Apparently with Handbrake you get a green line at the right edge unless the width is divisible by 4. :( Can you up it to 856 and re-encode? Also, please use constant frame rate if you didn't already.
I'd like to, but Handbrake is exhibiting some strange behaviour. Some of the 1280x720 are rescaled to 856x842 like you would expect, but some versions it doesn't seem possible to input 856 and the resize box starts to display weird numbers (it wants to resize to 856x480, or 860x482). My other resizing option MPEG Streamclip outputs videos which are too pale and I can't get the motion smooth in Apple's Compressor. Guess I have to do some more experiments later tonight.
snobel on 26/1/2015 at 16:19
Make sure you have Anamorphic: None, Modulus: 2 and disable Keep Aspect Ratio. Then you should be able to set width and height freely. Better also choose Custom Crop (all zeroes) just in case it's erroneous...
snobel on 28/1/2015 at 18:54
OK, (
https://copy.com/N4le3e8vMTv1Y9Pz) here's the beta of what will be the fat SU 1.1.5.
There's a wrapper DLL which will use the existing binkw32.dll for Bink content and ffmpeg for everything else. The ffmpeg playback is hopefully free of major bugs - feel free to try and break it. :) I've tested the briefings on an almost 10 year old laptop which didn't have problems with them, so they should be OK for most people. WinXP support is back, btw.
T3 Gold contains bugfixes for at least the HammerIntro and Stonemarket1 maps, so I've bumped the version to 1.1a. The Inn map is also in T3G now, although only in order to move the Keeper intro video so that you don't get two videos in a row.
The installer will now detect a current installation and prompt to uninstall. The tweaker exposes logging options for debugging and the master enable/disable checkboxes for the mods are now all on the overview page.
A lot of text needs updating. Also, I've received a description from mensch for the tweaker top level page - but I only saw that just now, so that's not in place either.
