Kyle2k on 28/5/2009 at 03:34
sNeaksieGarrett, friend...is possible that I am wrong??
I really don't think so.:tsktsk:
The DarkEngine is one of the most tricky graphic engines ever build. It had serious compatibility problems with all of the Windows after the 98 release.
I never got Thief I and II to run in this OS (except of course Win98) without using tricks, patches, fixes and independent tools to circumvent a lot of compatibility issues: graphic driver issues, sound driver issues, EAX compatibilities, Multicore/HyperThreading issue, ingame movies with an weird and unique codec (Ligos), enhancement packs, widescreen issues...uff!
Maybe the responsible for this sudden change was in fact the new nVidia driver (v. 185.85), and W7 was always compatible with the game after all...:p
This could explain why I had no problem installing the game with W7 v. 7100 a month ago... the problem arose when I tryed to load the first level of TG, suggesting (only) a graphic compatibility issue.:idea:
What do you think?
sNeaksieGarrett on 28/5/2009 at 03:51
Quote Posted by kyl2k
The DarkEngine is one of the most tricky graphic engines ever build. It had serious compatibility problems with all of the Windows after the 98 release.
I never got Thief I and II to run in this OS (except of course Win98) without using tricks, patches, fixes and independent tools to circumvent a lot of compatibility issues: graphic driver issues, sound driver issues, EAX compatibilities, Multicore/HyperThreading issue, ingame movies with an weird and unique codec (Ligos), enhancement packs, widescreen issues...uff!
Precisely my point in why it's amazing that thief would just suddenly work on windows 7 without any tweaks. So, the very fact that it didn't run well on vista before leads me to think that it's highly unlikely that everything is just fine on windows 7 and that it was that you just got lucky with your version.... Of course I can be wrong, I don't deny that.:)
What did you mean by "this OS"? Windows XP or Windows Vista?:confused:
As far as why it worked, it could be (that it was just the nvidia drivers and not the OS.) I honestly can't say. I haven't even tried windows 7 yet. I'm sticking to XP right now. :p
Kyle2k on 28/5/2009 at 04:09
I forgot to say:
You're right when you say there are a lot of different computers. But consider this:
Even the x86 Windows OS (except Win98) have problems with Thief (and SS2).
Worse: all the x64 versions of it were a pain in the *ss for gaming, since Microsoft's Stone Age (Win NT, 4.0).
Vista x64 (the last one) if I remember well, also had issues with some games, specially the OLD ones.
I think the chance that I manage to run a DarkEngine-based game only because I'm a damn lucky guy, when this software is truly one of the most incompatible ever created, is highly improbable.
And what the hell...it's a x64 OS! I think I have more chances that a meteor hit me twice! LOL:cheeky:
Kyle2k on 28/5/2009 at 04:14
sNeaksieGarrett, my friend
I mean the whole Windows family, sorry.
sNeaksieGarrett on 28/5/2009 at 04:25
If it ain't luck then what is it? Again, we both agree (yet you seem to point out to me again what I already know) that older OSes had problems with running thief (except windows 98) and yet your original post suggests that suddenly it works fine on windows 7. (I think the point here is that we need to have more results from other people's setups to determine if it works fine for them as well.) All I'm saying is based on past trends it seems highly unlikely that Microsoft just fixed thief indirectly for windows 7 - thus, why I said it was just luck. Of course it was probably your setup more than anything, but I think we should wait until the final version of 7 is out to see how well thief runs on that.:)
Kyle2k on 28/5/2009 at 19:40
sNeaksieGarrett, my friend.
Bad news, I'm afraid...:tsktsk:
Thief 3 seems to be incompatible with W7. At least, with the no-cd patch AND the hi res pack installed (Collective Texture Pack ver. 1.0.3).
And I could not manage to run System Shock 2 too - WITH the no-cd patch (I've tested more than one). The game starts fine, with the intro movie, cutscenes, etc., but when I try to start a new game, all I get is the *¨%¨$#¨$#@#%@!!! black screen...
You're right: we need more opinions and experiences here.
By the way, I strongly suggest W7: it's a damn good OS, believe me (i'm not exactly a fan of Microsoft...):thumb:
sNeaksieGarrett on 28/5/2009 at 19:45
Quote Posted by Kyle2k
By the way, I strongly suggest W7: it's a damn good OS, believe me (i'm not exactly a fan of Microsoft...)
So I've heard, in a matter of speaking. I read that "vista haters will love windows 7." I watched a video about windows 7, and from some of the stuff I've heard I feel more positive about windows 7, but I still am not satisfied I guess.
Did you actually try these games without the "no-cd" first to see if they run? Anyway, that's interesting... Thief 3 not working but thief 2 working.
Kyle2k on 29/5/2009 at 03:00
I'm afraid not...
All I have is the ISO files from TDS and SS2, mounted with Daemon Tools. I must use the no-cd trick.:(
But you have a point::idea:
I have the original CDs of TG and TMA - the ones I've managed to install and run without problems.
sNeaksieGarrett on 29/5/2009 at 03:22
We're not supposed to discuss cracks and warez.:o Though I admit it was my fault for probing you further about the no-cd. I suggest you refrain further from posting something like you just did (mentioning the ISOs.)
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Kyle2k on 29/5/2009 at 03:46
You're right in this matter, sorry.:(
And my mistake: TDS is completely compatible with Windows 7, even my x64 version. Forget what I said before.
I reinstalled the game WITHOUT the Hi Res Package, and it runs fine. No tricks here.
