Kyle2k on 17/7/2009 at 10:11
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
Make that four, it worked for me too.
Did you have to use any trick in order to run the game? what version of W7 do you have, friend? what your system specs?:)
Nameless Voice on 17/7/2009 at 10:36
Like I said earlier, the graphics were messed up (software rendering) unless I ran it as Administrator, but that was likely because I already had DDFix applied. Other than that, it just worked without issue, using my usual copy that was already installed on my PC under XP.
Windows 7 x64 Release Candidate (7100?)
Core 2 Duo E6320
GeForce 8800GT 512MB
3GB RAM
Kyle2k on 17/7/2009 at 15:09
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
Like I said earlier, the graphics were messed up
How messed up? just curious...:erm:
If you have 7100, a tip: try the 7600 RTM version. If think it will be the last one until the final release.
Nameless Voice on 17/7/2009 at 17:23
As I said before:
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
I'm not sure if it was because of DDFix (since my install of T2 already had it), but I had to run the game as Administrator in Windows 7 or else it would only run in software rendering (which is unplayable).
Did they change much in 7600 RTM? The keyboard support in 7100 is seriously lacking and/or excessively convoluted.
I found a couple of things I could have ranted and complained about, but I suspect that it's too late now.
sNeaksieGarrett on 18/7/2009 at 16:11
I just don't like the fact that you try to claim that windows 7 is perfect for thief, when the final release version isn't even completed, and you don't have the same exact setup as every other thief fan in the world. I mean, if we all owned the exact same PC, then it would be okay to say that "thief 1 and 2 works flawlessly on windows 7," but that's not the case. Also, I want to say that I wasn't accusing you of trying to get people to get W7. Yeah, maybe I'm stubborn and a skeptic, but I'm being realistic.
Kyle2k on 18/7/2009 at 18:06
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
As I said before:
Did they change much in 7600 RTM?
I really don't care about Microsoft, but I think it's way better now, although I did have no problems of any kind from the very start (since 7057, if I'm remember). Since then, they solved some bugs, fixed some issues, and I must say it's pretty good - everything Vista should be, but did not. Faster, less RAM, stable, very compatible)...
If you want to share more impressions, my MSN is [email]aromero2000@hotmail.com[/email], will be a pleasure, friend.:thumb:
Kyle2k on 18/7/2009 at 20:32
Quote Posted by sNeaksieGarrett
I just don't like the fact that you try to claim that windows 7 is perfect for thief, when the final release version isn't even completed, and you don't have the same exact setup as every other thief fan in the world. I mean, if we all owned the exact same PC, then it would be okay to say that "thief 1 and 2 works flawlessly on windows 7," but that's not the case. Also, I want to say that I wasn't accusing you of trying to get people to get W7.
Yeah, maybe I'm stubborn and a skeptic, but I'm being realistic.
Realistic, you say.
There's a lot to say here, so please be patient.
First of all, you're misinformed, my friend. Windows 7 hit the RTM status with the 7600 version almost two weeks ago. RTM means, as you well know, Release To Manufacture. Next month, they will start to sell this version as OEM.
Second, I'm not trying to claim: I'm pretty sure W7 has no problem running TG and TMA, based not only in my impressions (although I have already tested in two different PCs myself): there are some dudes here that claim the same. And I have (but you're free to belive or not, I really don't care) a friend and my cousin (with his AMD x64 CPU) running it as well.:thumb:
You're right when you say there are too many different hardware worldwide, and I agree with you in this argument: it will demand more time & discussion to confirm, in the future. But precisely here you miss the point:
If W7, as a software platform, is incompatible with DarkEngine - like all Windows versions since Win98 - it would crash the game from the very start in ALL possible hardware. You cannot run the game, even with a fully compatible hardware, if the MAIN software (the OS) is not.
In fact, we saw that in every single Windows version released after Win98: ME, 2000, XP, Vista... (remember: DarkEngine does not like NT kernels nor even x64 OSes). All of it needs some sort of programming trick in order to run the game.
I'm here since 2002 proposing (and looking for) solutions to fix the huge Thief list of bugs, incompatibilities and crashes well known.
W7 was the first Windows release in a very long time that I had no need to replace the ".EXE" game file with a fixed one, use the "safe texture manager" fix, get the infamous "Direct 3D Device" or "don't have enough space in HDD" etc. error messages. Nor even need to run setup.exe with the "-lgntforce" command.
In fact, all I have to do is fix the multicore problem but hey, this is not a Windows issue at all.
So, I still don't see your argument. In fact, you don't have one, no offense: all you have is a theoretical argument - that evidence says you're utterly wrong so far - unless you test yourself and share here the results.:tsktsk:
Nameless Voice on 18/7/2009 at 20:56
I've never had more than minor issues running Dark Engine games on any version of Windows. They ran fine for me in 98, 2000, XP and Windows 7.
The only real issue I've had was with the nVIDIA 8800GT drivers for Windows XP, which cause the game to crash without DDFix.
Perhaps that's because I don't see any of the other minor issues as real problems. The "not enough disk space" problem can be fixed by a simple change to a configuration file, or by simply copying a large file to adjust the free disk space on the hard disk. I have occasionally got "Direct3D Device does not accurately report texture memory usage", but those are rare and far between, and usually caused by some other program running in the background interfering with the Dark Engine. Plus, I haven't seen that error since using DDFix.
I never tried installing Thief 2 in Windows 7, I was only using my fully working copy which I'd installed in XP a long time ago, which already had any relevant patches (such as DDFix) applied, so I did not test it without these fixes.
Kyle2k on 19/7/2009 at 04:03
Nameless, you're right: those are minor problems. And I have managed run both TG and TMA in all Windows versions since 1999. But not without a cascade of minor ajustments, workarounds, fixes, reg tricks... in an annoying ritual, sometimes with negative results, often. Not to mention that some video issues we encountered in the past (like black screen and crashes) was not so easy to fix, demanding a lot of hard work and research. And time waiting, mainly when MS change the entire OS. I spent a lot of time searching for patches, fixes, procedures to run Thief and SS2 all these years.
All I'm saying here is: W7 was the first one, in a very long time, able to run TG and TMA, without a single workaround. Since Win98, no Windows can do this without fixes. Not a single one. So, that's my choice. Period.
Guys, I'm done discussing this matter until new info and field tests arise.:p
Best wishes.
