Renzatic on 7/3/2013 at 09:35
Quote Posted by Melan
Nope. There were periods of high innovation in gaming, like the early 90s and ca. 1998-2001
I was being sarcastic. Basically, I'm saying that no matter how good things are, no matter how great things might be, there's always going to be someone saying things were better 10 years ago.
Right now there are a bunch of 14 year olds playing Dishonored, Dark Souls, and...hell, who knows what else. They're having the time of their lives. 10 years from now? These now adults are going to be on a messageboard or whatever talking about how much better games were when they were kids.
Melan on 7/3/2013 at 09:39
All right, we can agree on that. I don't want to deny any 14-year-old's formative gaming experience. But it should be more like Ultima VII and Thief, and less like, I dunno, Generic Milshooter IV.
demagogue on 7/3/2013 at 09:43
Funny but I think he was complimenting it in a weird way. You can still be a big fan of low tech & acknowledge it's "crappy" low tech.
@Curunir. The reason we are talking about all this now is because we've waited like 3 years to talk about
something, and finally we have media to talk about. People are going state the obvious come hell or high water at this point. So I perfectly understand that part.
Curunir on 7/3/2013 at 09:43
Also, yes, as a matter of fact I was complimenting the amazing job skacky did using an ancient (even if revamped in 1.19) engine.
Renzatic on 7/3/2013 at 09:46
Quote Posted by Melan
All right, we can agree on that. I don't want to deny any 14-year-old's formative gaming experience. But it should be more like Ultima VII and Thief, and less like, I dunno, Generic Milshooter IV.
Generic Milshooters are the Doom clones and crappy FMV games of the current videogame era. They're everywhere, and most of them aren't all that good, but a decade from now, barely anyone will remember them.
The rough equivalent to Ultima VII and Thief would be what I mentioned above. Dark Souls and Dishonored. These are the games kids are going to be remembering later, and pining for again when they're old and cantankerous like us.
jtr7 on 7/3/2013 at 10:09
Look at the Thief, Editing, and FM forums, and look at how little the games being praised and held up as hopeful standards to hold Thief[4] to have been flourishing since release. Sequels keep the competition's discussions going, but they die off so fast after a couple of years, if not one year, and die completely without a sequel to spark interest. It's become episodic, not meaningful and lasting, so a game that is at least as good as DX:HR ain't in the same league as the maligned originals.
june gloom on 7/3/2013 at 11:29
Actually I wouldn't even call them Milshooters, as that evokes more the military sim genre of game like ArmA. I much prefer Tacticool Manshooter™.
Don't get me wrong, though. I like the occasional Tacticool Manshooter™. (Though I liked Spec Ops: The Line's savage deconstruction of them and open disapproval of the player far more.) But the vast majority of them are generic. Nobody is going to remember Full Spectrum Warrior or whatever. And that's fine. It's the games like Dishonored, Dark Souls, and the Walking Dead, to pick just last year's games (okay, Dark Souls came out in 2011, but the PC version was 2012) as examples, that're going to be what people remember. Spec Ops: The Line may fall behind in the dust, but that's only because it too closely resembles the very thing it professes to mock, wasn't heavily hyped, insults the player too freely* and is generally more interesting for its plot and overall conceit than its gameplay, but will remain a hidden classic.
* By which I mean towards the end of the game it actively begins to mess with the player, with hallucination sequences and accusing loading screen tips like "you are still a good person" and "it is all your fault"
skacky on 7/3/2013 at 12:35
Oh man, I love you so much lately. :D
I prefer the white tones of Thief than the usually exaggerated colors in Thief 2. Texture choice actually mattered to convey ambiance.
Kuuso on 7/3/2013 at 12:48
One article and a bunch of screenshots (that are not even necessarily directly from the game) and people have completely unraveled what the game is going to be like. This is simply hilarious stuff.
