Kerrle on 6/3/2013 at 23:28
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Masquerade parties and plague?
Geez. I'm kinda scared about society now.
It's not a new combination. Poe's Masque of the Red Death is over a century old.
june gloom on 7/3/2013 at 00:19
Quote Posted by thiefinthedark
This is why games have gone to shit in the past 10 years.
What the hell are you talking about? What kind of short-sighted hooplehead do you have to be to completely dismiss Metal Gear Solid 3, The Warriors, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, GTA Vice City Stories, Half-Life 2, Portal 2, Dishonored, The Walking Dead, Journey, 30 Flights of Loving, Spec Ops: The Line, Shadow of the Colossus, Silent Hill 3, Fragile, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., VtM Bloodlines, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Batman Arkham, Hotline Miami, Bully, or Cave Story?
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http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136778) Oh.
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http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=132485&p=1998536&viewfull=1#post1998536) Oh right.
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http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123983)
That kind of short-sighted hooplehead.
Renzatic on 7/3/2013 at 00:48
That's exactly what I was talking about earlier when I mentioned all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over the potential dumbing down of Deus Ex. All that screaming, picking on the negatives, overuse of the phrases "lowest common denominator" and "unwashed masses".
And how did it turn out?
Pretty damn good. It wasn't perfect, but it was far, far from being the uncreative soulless husk of a franchise cash-in made by CEOs to maximize profits TITD made it out to be.
Abysmal on 7/3/2013 at 01:19
trying hard not to take up position in one of the whining (pagans), apologist (hammers), or armchair psychology (keepers) camps that tend to assemble during these events, but..
I just wanna say that I don't want a "pretty good game". That's what Dishonored is, that's what Bioshock is, and I don't really have a place in my life for these anymore (a quick trip to youtube is all I need to assimilate this "culture"). I know I know, it's just entertainment, good for a wind-down yada yada, but these days I can only allocate time to play games that dare to be special. I'm crossing my fingers that the developers at EM have the same passion and magic that made Looking Glass such a creative force.
If Thief 4 is merely going to be a pretty good game, and that's fine if it is, then I'm probably going to pass.
sethL on 7/3/2013 at 01:25
Dishonored was basically Thief + some HL2 stuff.
But hey ttlg.com, right guys.
Naked on 7/3/2013 at 03:03
Anyone notice the skeletal appearance behind Garrett's semi transparent bandana? He looks half haunt.
heywood on 7/3/2013 at 08:14
The shots have too much ambient light if you ask me. I'm happy they stuck to the formula by including shadow-based stealth with a visibility indicator, but the areas they decided to show off don't seem to have many dark hiding spots. Otherwise, I like them.
Overall, I'm cautiously optimistic about this game. Eidos Montreal gave us real Deus Ex gameplay and I think they can pull off Thief gameplay too. A bigger question for me is whether they'll get the atmosphere right, but we'll never know that until we play it.
jtr7 on 7/3/2013 at 08:20
That's all entirely subjective. There are people who think TDS captured the feel of the older titles perfectly. All I can do is hope it's better than how they make it sound when they talk about it.
Melan on 7/3/2013 at 09:03
Quote Posted by Renzatic
The very first post there was a guy ranting about how much better Commodore 64 games were compared to the SELL OUT LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR POOR EXCUSE SHIT STAIN GAMES that he was seeing in the PC scene those days. They knew how to make games with love in their hearts back in the 80's. Not like in the shit 90's. Everything was about the graphics before the turn of the millennium, what with their stupid . . . shit Voodoo 3D graphics cards ruining the gameplay, which was what mattered the most. Oh no. Back in the good ole days, a dungeon was a bunch of white diagonal lines (sometimes horizontal), and a dragon nothing more than a crudely drawn stick figure of a small retarded child. And you know what? It was still great, because no one cared about the graphics back then. It was about the love. And the gameplay.
Nope. There were periods of high innovation in gaming, like the early 90s and ca. 1998-2001, and there were periods when most companies abandoned trying to think of something new to make rehashes of a successful formula, like the mid-90s' obsession with shitty Doom clones and "interactive movies" (which nobody except hardcore archivists remember anymore because they sucked), or that period in the 80s when the market was flooded with crappy platformers. It all depends on the willingness of the industry to take risks with offbeat creative projects. An environment which allows companies like Origin, Maxis and Looking Glass to work will produce great games, and an environment that doesn't do that will produce blooming heaps of mediocrity.
Bloated budgets, risk-averse thinking, and the influx of Hollywood 'creative types' are what lead to intellectual and creative stagnation. "AAA games" are too big to fail, and therefore too big to experiment. And that's the problem.
Curunir on 7/3/2013 at 09:18
Why are we even having this discussion? The game may be cool in its own right but it's going to be anything but Thief.
The art direction screams Dishonored and it simply cannot be all attributed to the Unreal engine. The original games used to be about light and shadow and creatively illuminated levels providing interesting gameplay, now it seems like it's going to be about possibly crouching behind some stuff or hiding behind pillars because everything is awash in ambient light.
I can also bet that in an effort to spruce up gameplay or some such shit the character will be given an array of annoying borderline superpowers much like in Dishonored.
Frankly, **** this. Thanks to all the FM authors for the two original games who keep making new great missions. I played Between These Dark Walls a couple of weeks ago and all that white-colored-lighting Thief 1 technologically dated crap was way more enjoyable than what I assume Thief 4 will deliver.
