THEN vs. NOW: How are you different? - by Wynne
Mr.Duck on 4/6/2018 at 07:24
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PigLick on 4/6/2018 at 12:27
where is my hug? My idiocy only gets worse.
I do have to check Tocky about your Muslim comments, its wrong to tar a whole group with the same brush. You know, how the US has done such a great job of that. In fact you could blame that general attitude on why Trump is even here in the first place.
rachel on 4/6/2018 at 14:24
18 years ago I was a nerdy translation student who didn't know much about the world that I hadn't read in a book.
10 years ago I road tripped across the US solo and jumped out of a plane.
Last year I got my sailing license. Next year if all goes to plan... You'll be the first to know. ;)
Tocky on 4/6/2018 at 14:45
Quote Posted by PigLick
where is my hug? My idiocy only gets worse.
I do have to check Tocky about your Muslim comments, its wrong to tar a whole group with the same brush. You know, how the US has done such a great job of that. In fact you could blame that general attitude on why Trump is even here in the first place.
Nah man. I think you know they are even worse than evangelicals. But if it helps your feelings the evangelicals are gaining in crazy authoritarianism. It doesn't help mine. I'm not fond of either brand of crazy telling me what to do.
LesserFollies on 4/6/2018 at 16:19
Piggy, you weren't in the thread yet! *enormous hug*
Pyrian on 4/6/2018 at 16:52
Quote Posted by Tocky
I think you know they are even worse than evangelicals.
I can't condone condemning an entire religion - about 1.8b people - for the actions of a tiny percentage of radicals. Like, you didn't say "even worse than Christians". You're not lumping all the Christians together with the KKK or even evangelical Trump-pets. But Muslims? Toss 'em on the pile, I guess? I think you've accidentally swallowed some of the koolaid, man. Do you even
know any Muslims? Ever listened to what they think about their IS brethren?
Vasquez on 4/6/2018 at 19:52
Lesssyyyyyyyyyy! :D *hughughug* <3
And another big *HUG* for piggy!
caffeinatedzombeh on 4/6/2018 at 21:41
The bit of my brain that's supposed to remember day to day stuff has never* really worked properly anyway so I can rarely remember yesterday** let alone what I was like when I was 16. I'm reasonably sure I was a lot like I am now but less of the good bits and more of the being a stubborn pain in the arse.
I was never really that confident in myself when I was younger and it's taken a long time for me to figure out that I am actually capable of almost anything if I really want to do it, I'm still not keen on putting myself into totally unplanned and unexpected situations but on the odd occasion I do sometimes try. Mostly these days it's that I don't want to more than don't think I can, I'm happy enough meandering my way through life picking and choosing my challenges and being as laid back as possible about as much as possible.
It helps having a job where my actual job description is "Steve" and I don't get a lot of pressure to do any one thing in particular above anything else.
*this is my official excuse for not contributing to Tocky's thread of stories, it's not that there aren't any or that I don't wish to share them as much as I can't remember them.
** as it happens today I know exactly what I was doing yesterday as I was taking (and passing \o/) the general skills test for my national private pilots licence
demagogue on 5/6/2018 at 00:18
Quote Posted by "Tocky"
I think you know they are even worse than evangelicals.
Learn to evidence-based reasoning. More Muslims in the US (a majority in fact) (
http://www.newsweek.com/muslim-white-evangelical-gay-marriage-907627) support gay marriage than evangelicals. Who's your tolerant Allah now? (This topic deserves its own thread though.)
Edit: On that topic though, my support for gay marriage, and things like that, has changed. I was always tolerant of / friendly with LGBTQ since like middle school (I was always friends with the misfits in school, I was a misfit myself, and they often fit that description), but 20 years ago I might have argued that marriage was a public institution, and the state doesn't need to sanction a gay marriage as a public, legal thing if it's not really socially accepted; they can just live together and have a ceremony, etc, if they like. (Not sure if I had really thought it out.)
By the time I got to law school a few years later though I picked up the thinking that, for any social thing, you don't look at the majority group's perspective on the target group's practice; you have to look from the perspective of the target group itself. Nobody else has to understand the meaning of gay marriage for it to be a real thing except gays wanting to have it for themselves. They give it the meaning they want. If they find the status meaningful and want equal status as straights, they have a right to it. That's what equal protection is all about.
On that note, I've become a lot more tolerant of there being radically different ways of life out there that people find happiness in and I can even learn from them.
Tocky on 5/6/2018 at 00:32
Quote Posted by Pyrian
I can't condone condemning an entire religion - about 1.8b people - for the actions of a tiny percentage of radicals. Like, you didn't say "even worse than Christians". You're not lumping all the Christians together with the KKK or even evangelical Trump-pets. But Muslims? Toss 'em on the pile, I guess? I think you've accidentally swallowed some of the koolaid, man. Do you even
know any Muslims? Ever listened to what they think about their IS brethren?
This will be the last time I defend myself on this. I condemn all religions based on their level of authoritarianism. The Muslims are the most authoritarian. The whole religion is. Some sects are more than others but on the whole the whole religion is more so than any other right now. The evangelicals are the most authoritarian of Christians. In the past it was the Catholics. The Catholics were even worse than Muslims in the middle ages. All religions want to control you. Some more than others. Right now the most controlling is the Muslim religion. Yes I know some Muslims. Nice as any Christian but their religion CONTROLS more aspects of their lives more than any other religion does even where it is more lax as it is here. They have to pray a set way a set number of times, they have to dress a certain way, they have to behave in a more constricted way, particularly the women. The Pentecostal Christians are nearly as bad. Close. The Amish ARE so there is a point for you. The Amish are so very docile I tend to forget about them. At least I think they are. Who the hell knows when they are so closed off from the rest of us.
Those are just the facts. If you want to pretend they don't exist then that is on you. I don't look away from facts because you or anybody thinks it isn't PC enough. I THINK and no religion or anyone defending ANY religion is going to stop me.