fett on 16/10/2008 at 12:46
I love how McCain was so worried about Joe the plumber who can't afford to buy the business b/c it would put him in a higher tax bracket. Then Obama says, "Joe, you needed the tax cut back when you didn't have enough money to buy the business."
That, my friends, in a nutshell, is the difference between the perspective of the two candidates. I wish I had enough money to put gas in my fucking car and afford my kid's co-pay at the dentist. My name is Joe - not the Joe McCain was talking about, but the Joe Obama was talking about.
Starrfall on 16/10/2008 at 14:22
I expect the quotefingers for "health" of the mother to firmly win over those last female independents!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N_UfQVuvXo)
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even if you think his overall point is valid I think you'll also agree that he couldn't have made it in a worse way unless he said "dangerous pregnancies ain't no thing compared to being a pow come on bitches it's time to man up")
Thief13x on 16/10/2008 at 17:47
I could've wailed a rock through the tv when McCain said that shit about dangerous pregnancy. I am extremely anti abortion but holy shit, McCain and the other extremists who won't budge even for dangerous pregnancies are the ones holding abortion reform up, not the other side.
And is it just me or was that debate total shit because they slung shit at each other but no one wiped themselves off? I couldn't have been more furious! Act the angel, and then when you get a shit stain throw shit back. I'm just fucking sick of it, can't trust anything but if I wasn't going independent I would be voting for Obama in a heartbeat after the debate last night. Thank god he's going to win anyways.
Fafhrd on 16/10/2008 at 18:03
If enough people do that, then there's a chance he won't win.
If it weren't already so late in the campaign I think "ZERO?!?" would be McCain's Dean-scream. Not that it isn't going to have a massive detrimental effect, but it won't be used to bury him in quite the same way.
Several hours later addendum: On a State/Local note: If you're in a Yes on 8 demonstration, kindly fuck off and die. That goes double if you're holding a "Prop 8 = Parental Rights" sign, triple if you've got the "Prop 8 = Freedom of Speech" sign, and quadruple if you've brought your kids with you. You're all unbelievable shitheels, and if I'd been riding my bike to and from work today, I would've been hard pressed not to slap one of you fuckers as I passed.
Ghostly Apparition on 17/10/2008 at 02:29
Quote Posted by Thief13x
I could've wailed a rock through the tv when McCain said that shit about dangerous pregnancy. I am extremely anti abortion but holy shit, McCain and the other extremists who won't budge even for dangerous pregnancies are the ones holding abortion reform up, not the other side.
I'm curious, how does the conservatives rationalize the seemingly contradictory
stances of being so extremely pro-life and yet be for the war, even in the face of overwhelming public dissatisfaction with the Iraq war? 4,000 American soldiers dead and by most accounts at least 500,000 Iraqi's doesn't seem pro-life to me. Just once I would like someone to ask a republican that question.
Gambit on 17/10/2008 at 03:19
They would probably say it´s the price to keep american lives safe from terrorism.
But the fact is that you don´t fight terrorism like that, it´s a hidden enemy, with cells all over the world. Why they chose Iraq to fight terrorism is still unclear since it seems that Obama is hidden in Pakistan.
So we have pro-life people defending a war that started with the bad WMD excuse, made an humanitarian tragedy for both american soldiers and iraqi civilians and is not helping the end of terrorism at all.
Turtle on 17/10/2008 at 03:35
Quote Posted by Gambit
it seems that Obama is hidden in Pakistan.
I see what you did there.
Ko0K on 17/10/2008 at 04:14
What these so-called "pro-life" folks don't know is that their daughters are taking out student loans they do not need in order to be able to secretly buy home abortion drugs, such as RU-486, rather than talking to their parents openly about their dilemma.
The use of such drugs have gone up, interestingly enough, about the same time as when bible-thumping fundies found their voice in Washington thanks to the recent NeoCon infestation. When will these people realize that taking a hardline stance on anything will simply make it go even deeper underground, and gradually drive their kids to further alienate themselves and avoid communicating honestly with their parents?
Yes, late-term abortion is disgusting, and both sides can agree on that. During the first trimester, however, the mothers-to-be should be able to afford counseling and learn what consequences they would expect to deal with as the result of their choice. However, it's only when a choice is available to them that they will seek moral support from their loved ones. Deprived of any choice, who knows what lengths they will go, and torture themselves as the result of the terrible secrets they must hide from those who they should be able to trust and depend on?
Idiots...
Gambit on 17/10/2008 at 04:52
Quote Posted by Turtle
I see what you did there.
Ooops :o
Seriously I can´t believe I did this. :weird:
As for pregnancy...
I may not like abortion but I can see why it is needed if the parents are in no condition to be responsible for a future baby.
Even then, abortion should be the extreme last resort, when people should have sexual education and contraceptives at hand.
The sad part is that extreme people are also against contraceptives, and their answer to safe-sex is not condoms but to... marry virgin.
No really, that´s their campaign for a horde of uninformed pubescent teenagers that are discovering sex: control your impulses and stay virgin until marriage. And then just watch the periods...
BEAR on 17/10/2008 at 07:45
Quote Posted by Ko0K
The use of such drugs have gone up, interestingly enough, about the same time as when bible-thumping fundies found their voice in Washington thanks to the recent NeoCon infestation. When will these people realize that taking a hardline stance on anything will simply make it go even deeper underground, and gradually drive their kids to further alienate themselves and avoid communicating honestly with their parents?
This is an area where I think politics needs an infusion of science. Rather than this being an ideological opinion thing, where we can (and do) literally believe whatever the fuck we want, why not leave it up to statistics? This can tell us what is effective and what is ineffective, but nothing can be solved when anyone can say anything and feel totally justified.
Its also interesting that the above statement by Ko0k was exactly what McCain himself said on meet the press a few years ago when asked if he thought roe v wade should be repealed (which he said absolutely not). He of course did a total about face more recently saying it should be (on the same fucking show no less).
