Scots Taffer on 6/10/2008 at 03:25
Ah, so the Republican party is falling back on their mainstay electoral strategy that worked wonders last election: blindly bigoted fear-mongering.
BEAR on 6/10/2008 at 03:45
Never fails. If there are people who are not totally brain dead who still think he's a Muslim, the terrorist-sympathizer will stick even better. God when will this month be over.
I should count the days off prison style on my wall in my own blood.
Scots Taffer on 6/10/2008 at 05:19
If you can't beat 'em join 'em is the final battle cry of the idealogically bankrupt.
Fringe on 6/10/2008 at 05:36
Hitting back, on the other hand, isn't.
Scots Taffer on 6/10/2008 at 05:42
On what grounds does fighting back help Obama's campaign to become President?
What new voters is it going to win?
What voters who would be swayed by the Republican's campaign will react to this?
I don't see any point at all in starting this line of attack. If anything it just weakens the Democrats in my eyes because if it all just devolves into a mudslinging match with a party who are clearly inferior then they're undermining their own integrity and value.
fett on 6/10/2008 at 14:11
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
I don't see any point at all in starting this line of attack. If anything it just weakens the Democrats in my eyes because if it all just devolves into a mudslinging match with a party who are clearly inferior then they're undermining their own integrity and value.
As slimy as the Republicans are, be careful not to overestimate the integrity and value of the Democratic party. At the end of the day, they're all still politicians. :erg:
heretic on 6/10/2008 at 14:25
Quote Posted by fett
As slimy as the Republicans are, be careful not to overestimate the integrity and value of the Democratic party. At the end of the day, they're all still politicians. :erg:
Yeah, it's funny how quickly people have forgotten that it was Democrat Hillary Clinton who was the first to exploit the Ayers issue during the race for nomination. Obviously that doesn't make the Mccain camp's use any less sigh-worthy, but this sort of thing is most definitely not uniquely Republican.
BEAR on 6/10/2008 at 15:00
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
On what grounds does fighting back help Obama's campaign to become President?
What new voters is it going to win?
What voters who would be swayed by the Republican's campaign will react to this?
I don't see any point at all in starting this line of attack. If anything it just weakens the Democrats in my eyes because if it all just devolves into a mudslinging match with a party who are clearly inferior then they're undermining their own integrity and value.
I think that you underestimate the simple amount of misinformation that is out there. Obama has a pretty hard position to defend because with just a simple statement, 1/3 (or more) of the country can be convinced of a total lie and it takes months if not years to dispel them of it.
For those people, the forceful aggressive type of response is sometimes all that registers, and like it or not, Obama needs those voters. The McCain blitz will be depressingly effective (if still overall insufficient), and at this final stretch Obama will have to do all he can to withstand it. I think he has more to gain than to lose by attacking McCain (as long as he keeps it factually accurate), because Americans are like grade school students, they need repetition.
Starrfall on 6/10/2008 at 15:05
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
I don't see any point at all in starting this line of attack.
The point seems to be to let McCain's campaign know that Obama's campaign will match every "yur a terrists bff so you hate america" attack with a "your previous behavior during the last big financial crisis combined with your current behavior shows that you are not equipped to manage this country's economy" attack. If McCain thought he was going to be able to pull the same shit Hillary pulled and not get called out, he's apparently mistaken.
Even if you think both are bad I don't think you can argue that they're on the same level. (And if NOTHING else, I think we can all agree that tomorrow's debate has the potential to be EPIC who wants to put odds on a chair being thrown)
As a side note, I'd be interested in a poll that asked what race people think Ayers is - my guess is that you'd end up with some pretty telling trends.
