irving_forbush on 17/9/2008 at 20:49
Quote Posted by Starrfall
Here's transcripts from today's new political ads.
Barack Obama: blah blah blah
John McCain: blah blah blah
You're right, pretty generic & noncommittal. Take Obama's comment to "...bring a responsible end to this war in Iraq...". What does he mean by that now? Early on in the Dem primary it meant bring the troops home immediately upon taking office. Now Obama says we've had more success "...than anyone ever anticipated." It appears that he's softened his hardline stance that so entralled the anti-war crowd last Spring - if not, why not repeat his earlier opinion? What he's really saying is "I may or may not have changed my mind, & I won't tell anyone so I don't offend anybody."
Dear Senator Obama,
Please define what you now mean by "responsible".
Thanks,
vox populi
p.s. You're supposed to be a "different" kind of politician, so try something truly different & tell us the truth. Is it really that painful?
TafferLing on 17/9/2008 at 20:51
Quote Posted by Starrfall
Here's transcripts from today's new political ads.
Originally Posted by John McCain
You, the American workers, are the best in the world.
But your economic security has been put at risk by the greed of Wall Street.
That's unacceptable.
My opponent's only solutions are talk and taxes.
I'll reform Wall Street and fix Washington. I've taken on tougher guys than this before.
What the hell? He sounds like Popeye...
irving_forbush on 17/9/2008 at 21:07
Quote Posted by Stitch
Quote Posted by irving_forbush
Unfortunately, a two-party system is what we don't have.
Yeah, good luck defending that claim.
Those who only see the political map in shades of red and blue forget that the only color that truly matters is $GREEN. Or do you really think that the ultimate goal of the elect is anything but?
jay pettitt on 17/9/2008 at 21:11
Quote Posted by irving_forbush
Dear Senator Obama,
Please define what you now mean by "responsible".
Thanks,
vox populi
Dear Nub,
I think the plan is to pull out at a rate of approximately 1 to 2 brigades per month under direction of military commanders completing during 2010 but retaining a residual force.
All the best,
A bloke in England who looked it up on the (
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/) internets.
xxx
Ko0K on 17/9/2008 at 23:23
Quote Posted by heywood
Gore had the more divisive message: the old class warfare strategy that Democrats have been following on and off for decades.
I don't see how pandering to the middle class by trying to associate the Democratic party with the working people can be considered to be a divisive tactic. Besides what separates the rich from the working class people is a pretty fuzzy line, unlike that between white evangelicals and the rest.
jay pettitt on 17/9/2008 at 23:43
Quote Posted by irving_forbush
Barack Obama: blah blah blah
You're right, pretty generic & noncommittal.
Obama is, in all seriousness, (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlZt5iN96iM&feature=user) a class apart. If you don't want him then we have an election in next year or so - send him over here.
heywood on 18/9/2008 at 01:02
Jay,
I'm curious what impresses you. I listened to that Obama speech, as I have with many of his other speeches, and he's just promising the world yet again. The first half was mostly platitudes and distortions of his opponent's positions. The second half was mostly a long laundry list of good ideas and empty promises that he won't be in a position to enact as President. There's a big difference between promising and delivering, especially in a political system designed to pit branches of government against each other. And there's a big difference between being a great orator and a great leader. You should know. Remember Tony Blair?
It's easy to say all the things that people want to hear and promise the world. I want to hear realistic policy objectives and plans, not fantasies.
Ghostly Apparition on 18/9/2008 at 03:51
We can’t take anymore Occupation at a Billion Dollars a month, plunder, greed, dark markets, government bail outs, black site prisons, shadowy government, crony capitalism, deregulation, privatization, wiretapping, torture, rendition, incompetence by design, no electricity, water or food for weeks after a storm, constant fear that our votes won’t count, falling wages, inflation on the rise, housing starts down, joblessness and homeless growing, health insurance that’s either not worth the paper its written on or none at all NOT even for our kids, foreclosures at almost 10,000 a day, life savings gone in a day, gas prices, food prices, education all getting out of reach.
Knowing all that's happened in the last 8 years, why would anybody want to elect John McCain? Oh I know the die hards are going to say he's a reformer,a "Maverick" if you will. What if he's not? What if this time they actually get rid of social security. What if they go to war with Russia this time?
I believe Barack Obama is a real leader. I say we should give him a chance.
I say we shouldn't reward bad governance and lies and illegal wars and cronyism. (heckava job Brownie) anybody remember that? I bet the people of New Orleans will never forget that. Where are we all these years later? Is N.O rebuilt? are we still in an illegal occupation in Iraq?
We gave G.W. a chance. He blew it. Lets elect someone to bring about real change in this country.
Starrfall on 18/9/2008 at 04:11
Apparently a focus group study has found this Defenders of Wildlife ad to be pretty effective. (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQobIUE1zTU)
Quote Posted by heywood
It's easy to say all the things that people want to hear and promise the world. I want to hear realistic policy objectives and plans, not fantasies.
Obama offers more policy objectives and plans than McCain does, and Obama's are preferable. I think several examples have been offered in this thread. Even if not, it's not hard for the issue-oriented voter to find examples online, although of course they just may not agree with them.
McCain's main policy objective is saying that Obama doesn't have any as often as he can. He's still trying to come up with the rest of his plans, you see his old ones didn't really work after he changed his position on everything.
