Paz on 24/2/2006 at 02:13
Quote Posted by Strontium Dog
I rather expect the contract will be awarded to Capita
I'm predicting Accenture!
Current project: failing to deliver an IT system to the Rural Payments Agency. Repeatedly.
Since the infrastructure will need to be on an epic scale, maybe they'll go for the wonder-combo of EDS, Capita AND Accenture?
Truly that would be a magnificent thing to behold.
Chimpy Chompy on 24/2/2006 at 07:03
Well Paz for "yob culture" read "yob problems in general" if you want.
What I was trying to get at is, I think its' quite possible for Labour to cook up an interfering and slightly repressive (SLIGHTLY, not jackbooted Tony Stormtroopers marching up and down. I need to read up more on ID cards..) state that doesn't actually do much to fix crime and lawlessness. I''m not saying the problem would escalate to the mail-rant-esque proportions you ridiculed, but there's still some truth in there maybe.
aguywhoplaysthief on 24/2/2006 at 07:07
The "Abortion of Parliament Bill" would have been a much more fun thread. :(
*Zaccheus* on 24/2/2006 at 13:54
Quote Posted by Chimpy Chompy
What I was trying to get at is, I think its' quite possible for Labour to cook up an interfering and slightly repressive [...] state that doesn't actually do much to fix crime and lawlessness.
I think it might help to look at it the other way around:
Extreme measures require extreme circumstances!
Let things get 'really bad' and people will not oppose draconian measures. When ASBOs were introduced, I reccon most people thought 'at last something is being done' rather than 'what are the implications here'. Since then, (
http://www.statewatch.org/asbo/ASBOwatch.html) ASBOs have been used to keep all kinds of protesters in check.
I'm not entirely sure if our government is completely stupid or completely evil, but I am certain that they are not completely innocent.
As for ID cards, I don't have a problem with carrying a card which states my name & address, but I do have a problem with the massive database which will be accessable via the card.
Quote Posted by D'Juhn Keep
Good to see you're not dead though :)
Thanks, although I have to say the (
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102789) Rocksbourg T2 FMs weren't SO tough that you'd have to fear for my health. Or did you mean that operation I had? ;)
Paz on 24/2/2006 at 14:46
Quote Posted by *Zaccheus*
As for ID cards, I don't have a problem with carrying a card which states my name & address, but I do have a problem with the massive database which will be accessable via the card.
What can they possibly learn or gain access to that they don't already know from your tax records, bank statements, shopping habits and so on?
I think this ship sailed a long time ago.
Deep Qantas on 24/2/2006 at 15:14
Quote Posted by Rug Burn Junky
"The Abolition of Parliament Bill" sounds like a title for a Schoolhouse Rock song.
Hey, Parliament Bill
What did you kill
Parliament Bill?1955 called. They want Marty back.
(:thumb:)
*Zaccheus* on 24/2/2006 at 17:12
Quote Posted by Paz
What can they possibly learn or gain access to that they don't already know from your tax records, bank statements, shopping habits and so on?
I think this ship sailed a long time ago.
Perhaps, but there's always the question of easy access, and how many people become 'they' relating to all your data.
sp4f on 24/2/2006 at 20:56
Quote Posted by Paz
The only downer is that they'll cost money - it's a cheeky revenue gatherer, really.
Because £300 is a nice, low and affordable amount for an ID card. Not to mention the governments stated figure of £5.8 billion to implement the necessary infrastructure and the LSE calculated figure of between £10 - 19 billion.
I'm seeing some slight difference here and quite frankly I am more inclined to trust the LSE than the Government.
I do agree with dvrabel regarding the likelihood of EDS to get the contract to build this database. So that is probably another few billion down the drain due to the inherent well..... shitness of EDS and their ability to miss every single project deadline so far.
Yay.
PS - So who is up for higher taxes in 2008-2009 due to the smoking ban? I do hope all you non-smokers appreciate the governments efforts to shaft you when it does happen ;).
Paz on 24/2/2006 at 22:35
Quote Posted by sp4f
Because £300 is a nice, low and affordable amount for an ID card.
I'm seeing some slight difference here and quite frankly I am more inclined to trust the LSE than the Government.
Whilst that figure wouldn't necessarily surprise me, I'll wait until the LSE report is more substantial than a dodgy leaked draft copy.
Also you've made it look like the cost to the individual would be £300, which is slightly disingenuous. I think they'll be about £30 or something (and non-compulsory until ... some undefined future date?)
I agree that the scheme is looking like little beyond a juicy gravy train for government contractors though. Welcome to the public and private sector, united in harmony!
sp4f on 24/2/2006 at 23:05
(
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/14/id_card_amendments_reversed/) *cough*
It is true enough that the cost to get the card may be only £30 and that and the passport combined may only be about £93 but the LSE factored in all other costs including building the database, infrastructure etc which is where they managed to come up with £300 figure if I've been reading the various articles floating around the internet correctly.
As it stands in the end you won't have any choice if you want to leave the country other than to shell out for a card and passport in the next few years. Not exactly what could be termed voluntary in any sense of the word.
This is likely to be the last I can comment on this topic because I'm off to Bulgaria tomorrow. If this thread is still alive when I get back I'll try and come up with something more in depth and perhaps making more sense :).
