Kolya on 23/3/2007 at 18:58
I maybe wrong but I think most people are aware that WW2 really happened and that it wasn't all about Tesla cannons and wenches with swastika tattoos. I'm not sure the same can be said about Chernobyl.
Matthew on 23/3/2007 at 19:03
I'm not qualified to comment really, as I'm one of those fairly fully informed about the disaster.
Martek on 24/3/2007 at 09:58
Quote Posted by JediKorenchkin
I think it's a safe bet to say that anyone who is biased against Steam for any reason, is a complete fucking retard.
Count me on your list of complete fucking retards.
Asshole. (If I'm a complete fucking retard in your book then it's only fair for you to be an asshole in mine. Works both ways ya know).
I'll continue to avoid Steam for now, and it doesn't really matter what JediKorenchkin thinks of that or of me due to it. And I don't feel compelled to get into a tedious point-counterpoint with you or anyone else to "justify" myself to you (with "flawed argument", I am sure!) as to why I don't want to "opt in" to it. (And yes, I buy all my software, and I buy all my DVD's and CD's too - I don't "illegally download" them). Thus far, there have been plenty of other good games that I don't feel any void in my life for not having Steam-powered games on my computer.
JediKorenchkin, wouldn't it be better to dispense with the "insulting peeps" simply because they may not share your opinion? Most civil folks think so. Hopefully you'll come around as well one day.
Isn't the Steam vs. no steam requirement one of the reasons The Dark Mod is going with D3 instead of HL2?. Even if not, it's one of the reasons I am glad for their choice. :)
Martek
kidmystik101 on 24/3/2007 at 12:24
Question: Why the hell do you not like steam? You're all going on about having to activate products online being a hassle. I fail to see how it is. Honestly, it's one-time activation, and it takes all of 1 minute to do. Hardly a hassle.
JediKorenchkin on 24/3/2007 at 15:07
Quote Posted by Martek
Count me on your list of complete fucking retards.
Asshole. (If I'm a complete fucking retard in your book then it's only fair for you to be an asshole in mine. Works both ways ya know).
Fair enough.
However in my book you still lose for not having the balls to attempt to even back up your argument. I don't care if you illegally download or not, and I don't care if you feel it a waste of time to get into an actual discussion about it, but I'm pretty sure it would be less of a waste of time than your post was.
People who have real, actual reasons are the only people who should really be in discussions like this. Most of the people who are against Steam are the people who haven't bothered to try it. And hate it because a) it runs in the background or b) you have to activate your games (Which is really no different than entering a CDKey so what the fuck).
Go ahead and avoid Steam and it's games all you want. As far as I'm concerned, you're missing out on some quality games, and instead are spending time talking out of your ass.
Have a nice day. :cheeky:
Nikzbitz on 24/3/2007 at 15:22
I personly don't like steam. I use it, but I do not particually like it.
Nameless Voice on 24/3/2007 at 15:25
I say: think of the people with no or slow internet connections.
I know someone who had to drag his entire computer to a different location to get at a phone line, the spent over half an hour waiting for Steam to decrypt his Half-Life 2 disc so he could install it.
Nikzbitz on 24/3/2007 at 15:28
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
I say: think of the people with no or slow internet connections.
I know someone who had to drag his entire computer to a different location to get at a phone line, the spent over half an hour waiting for Steam to decrypt his Half-Life 2 disc so he could install it.
That was me for a few years. When I went to buy the special edition half life 2, I discovered to my horror that it needed steam. My problem being that the only pc I had connected to the internet was a crappy thing. My decent pc had no internet connection. Also AOL throws a fit when ever you want to do something useful, so that osrt of scuppered networking, and connecting up the other pc.
june gloom on 24/3/2007 at 16:29
Quote Posted by Matthew
I'm not qualified to comment really, as I'm one of those fairly fully informed about the disaster.
i'm not either (hell, i even have a couple books about it), but i'm going to anyway.
kolya, i'm going to have to disagree. it's like i told criminal over in gengaming: it's been over 20 years, and much of the chernobyl tale has descended into legendry. comparing it to 9/11 doesn't really work for a couple of reasons. 9/11 was a terrorist act- and it was only unique in its extremity. chernobyl was an accident, and creates a unique situation where you have an entire... what was it, 30 km? area that is, aside from some stubborn villagers, utterly devoid of people. that's a little piece of the apocalypse right there. for a while we in the states had something like that here with new orleans- and even now it's STILL not the big city it once was. (not to mention the mayor is out of his fucking gourd, but that's a discussion for another time... :sweat: )
the WW2 comparison doesn't work either. most of us who play stalker are going to be fully aware of chernobyl and its implications. but i can't tell you how many times some dumb kid was all "WW2 ROCKS" (to put it simply) without ever knowing that his grandpa did this shit for real. same thing with counterstrike, for a while i used to say that i didn't play CS because all i had to do was turn on the TV and someone was playing de_dust for real. (i've since gotten over my moral objection to counterstrike and now i don't play it because everyone on it is a stumpfuck.)
for that matter stalker is not about the disaster itself, and all the horrible things related to it. it would be far easier for me to condemn if it were. but instead it takes place a full 26 years later. WW2 gaming takes place, obviously, DURING WW2. and i imagine a 9/11 game would take place during 9/11- though, more likely, we'll see a game that has a flashback to that particular day instead.
also: who's to say that someone who knows nothing about chernobyl, and s interested in stalker might not be curious about chernobyl itself? i mean, i knew of chernobyl, i knew of the seriousness of the disaster, but i didn't really start researching and reading about it until after i started following stalker's development. some of the stories have stuck with me- but i don't see any problem with the game. i suppose it might be one thing if the developers were american, but they're ukrainian, they grew up with this. i think if anyone is qualified to try and tell a story about the huge swatch of land in their country that nobody could go to anymore, it's them.
in the end it boils down to this: you know about chernobyl, i know about chernobyl, GSC knows about chernobyl. so what if someone doesn't know about chernobyl? don't worry about them. i know someone's going to be all "what's chernobyl?" and i'll have to inform them. that's not going to stop me from enjoying the game. and it shouldn't stop you either.
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