MsLedd on 31/10/2002 at 20:56
I have put it back the way it was. :cheeky:
sailoreagle on 31/10/2002 at 21:59
Readable now. Thanks. :)
Mortal Monkey on 1/11/2002 at 20:02
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Originally posted by Daxim LCDisplays suck.En contraire, CRT screens suck. I get much more colorful colors (to put it that way) with my LCD screen than any CRT screen I've ever seen (and I'm using 16-bit colors). I have brightness & contrast & temperature maxed, but it doesn't hurt my eyes (actually, turning it down hurts my eyes).
But then again, I don't have a tiny laptop screen.
Daxim on 2/11/2002 at 00:06
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Firstly, 16 bit are only 65536 colours. You get visible banding in those (
http://ohm.phys.ualberta.ca/photo/calibrate/gradient.html) greyscale gradients. Set your video card to true colour (24 bit, 16 Mio. colours) to go beyond the human eye's threshold for the ability of distinguishing colours. Secondly, setting all correction controls to their maximum never results in a sane calibrated result. The screen will be much to bright and the colours all washed out. When your eyes strain and hurt at lower levels then you just have the fucking wrong (
http://groups.google.com/groups?group=comp.human-factors) screen ergonomy. For your own health's sake, light your work environment properly. Thirdly, when you look from different angles at a LCD, the colours change, first subtly, then dramaticly. Those type of screens are absolutely not suited for displaying colours correctly, the size doesn't matter.
Starrfall on 2/11/2002 at 00:49
I'm going to jump in as a complete aside now. Basically what has just happened is this:
Mortal Monkey: "Colors look better on LCD to me."
Daxim: "No they don't."
And I am finding it hilarious.
<font size =1>And obviously true color is 32 bit.
Daxim on 2/11/2002 at 13:07
You're reinterpreting reality. It's not about opinions, but about quantifiable statements.
D: <statement>
MM: <opposite claim>
D: This can't be true because of this and this and this.
True colour is and has always been 24 bit. Anything beyond that is sham anyway - the human eye can differentiate "only" around 10 Mio. colours, the inaccuracies of the whole vision apparatus not even calculated in (cf. "optical illusions").
Mortal Monkey on 2/11/2002 at 18:26
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Originally posted by Daxim That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Firstly, 16 bit are only 65536 colours. You get visible banding in those (http://ohm.phys.ualberta.ca/photo/calibrate/gradient.html) greyscale gradients. Set your video card to true colour (24 bit, 16 Mio. colours) to go beyond the human eye's threshold for the ability of distinguishing colours.My mistake, I was using 16 mill. colors, not 16-bit. But whatever I choose (as long as it's not 256 colors or below), I never saw anny diffrence. But this is all besides the point.
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Secondly, setting all correction controls to their maximum never results in a sane calibrated result. The screen will be much to bright and the colours all washed out.Yes, <b>your</b> screen might, but this depends on the screen itself, the video card configuration and the applications you use. I have not changed the video card's color/gamma setting, they are all factory settings. As for the last, when I have T2's gamma on the lowest, all the areas that are not lit by lights are pitch black. There are no overly bright or washed out colors in UT, Thievery or any other game I play.
I dunno what that link has to do with screen ergonomy, but I can inform you that <b>my</b> room has curtains that can be drawn when the light outside gets too bright, and a lamp right above my head that can be turned both on and off if it gets too dark. I don't have any problems about light reflecting on the screen if I tilt the lamp a little.
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Thirdly, when you look from different angles at a LCD, the colours change, first subtly, then dramaticly. Those type of screens are absolutely not suited for displaying colours correctly, the size doesn't matter. I dunno about you, but normal people don't hop around much while working on their PC.
Starrfall on 2/11/2002 at 22:48
Actually, it's a bit more like:
D: Opinion
MM: Contrary opinion
D: Your opinion is false.
And I still find it funny, because I have a mind that's weird like that. But it's almost impossibly difficult to convince someone that they are interpreting something falsely when that interpretation is entirely based on individual differences in perception and reaction.
"LCD's go all weird if they're at the wrong angle," can be a fact. Adding "and so they suck." to it makes it opinion (based on different interpretation/reactions) as long as suckage is subjectively applied, which it is in this case. Daxim apparently thinks it is a negative factor, Mortal Monkey apparently doesn't mind it. Neither is wrong, so I find it amusing when either side is said to be wrong. Although that's not fact either, since not everyone may find it so. Even if they SO obviously should, because I define humour dammit.
Far as true color goes, it's 32 bit damn your eyes.(http://www21.brinkster.com/andamac1/tc.txt) And sham may it be, but no moreso then 24 bit, cause if 24 bit is 16million colors, we wouldn't be able to tell anyways, if we can only see 10 mill.
<font size=1>I think you just have bit envy because my true color has more then yours. ;)
...and that link will only last as long as brinksters bandwidth allotment holds, which will be about 5 seconds, and it needs to be a copy-paste if you can be bothered. I did compress it as .png just for you though.
Sneaky Acolyte on 8/11/2002 at 03:53
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Originally posted by MsLedd:I have put it back the way it was. :cheeky: Originally posted by sailoreagle: Readable now. Thanks. :)I am using Opera 6.05 and I am still having trouble reading the spoilers when I highlight them. If I close one eye and turn my head around in all sorts of different directions with my nose touching the monitor, I can sorta see it. Needless to say, I look really funny and have been pointed and laughed at in the public computer labs, so I have to resort to the inconvenient copy and paste system.
I was wondering just how readable it was for Opera users. It seems that the consensus was that it's readable, but mine eyes are still having some trouble picking the letters out. Am I alone here?
