Renzatic on 14/9/2016 at 17:47
NEERRRDDD FIIGGGHHHHTT
Renault on 14/9/2016 at 18:15
What else would you expect from a discussion about Linux? That's about as nerdy as you can get. There isn't a girl within 100 miles of this thread.
Renzatic on 14/9/2016 at 18:25
This was...this was bound to happen, yes. It was fated.
Preordained.
heywood on 14/9/2016 at 20:06
Quote Posted by hedonicflux~~
This is among the most ignorant things I've ever heard stated in my life. Like, really far up the list. And considering how ignorant people are, that's really saying something.
Linux does not lack -ANY- of the functionality of Windows or Mac OS. It indeed adds functionality. As for support, there is a gigantic world of free software for Linux that can do anything any piece of software for Win/Mac can and more. With the unfortunate exception of Gimp, for every piece of software that exists for one of the two mainstream OSes, there is an equivalent and most likely better piece of software available for Linux.
Just because your commercial garbage games don't work on Linux doesn't mean it lacks support.
And please refrain from making a statement about Linux/free software/whatever that is based on absolutely zero research in the future. The misinformation people like you spread about Linux isn't healthy for society.
Despite all the effort to create open source clones of commercial Windows and Mac software, there are still a lot of cases where the open source alternatives are not a suitable replacement. This is particularly true of enterprise level business management and project management software, big databases, engineering software, publishing. Here's some software I've used on a regular basis at some point in the last few years which has no real open source alternative: Mindjet Mind Manager, MS Project & Open Plan Pro, DOORS, Matlab, eggPlant, SharePoint, Windchill, Photoshop. A few of these are available for Linux, but I assume you're talking about free/open source software.
And for things where there exists open source software with equivalent functionality, the open source alternative doesn't always offer equivalent practicality. Let's take databases as an example. We started out on my current project using PostgreSQL on RHEL. I've used it before and it's certainly easy to get going for local, internal use hosting non-business critical database applications. But for this project we needed high availability, remote replication, online backup & point in time recovery, the database servers had to be hardened and all access had to be audited at a low level because of the business criticality of some of the applications hosted. Doing all this with PostgreSQL is theoretically possible but was turning into an open-ended science project. We switched to SQL Server on Windows Server 2012 R2 and had a high availability failover cluster up & running in a day. In another couple of days we had the cluster hardened and ready for production.
Even stuff like LibreOffice isn't a slam dunk replacement for MS Office. One big reason is VBA. Another is compatibility. Many Excel macros and functions aren't in or won't convert to Calc. Formatting within tables in Word doesn't translate right. Drawings in Word or Powerpoint often get mangled during conversion. With most of the western world invested in MS Office, it isn't enough to be functionally equivalent. To get people to switch, compatibility is just as important.
Linux is great for certain purposes. For embedded systems, it has taken over the world. And nearly so for web servers and high performance computing. It's also a pretty fine general purpose server OS, although so is Windows Server. But on the desktop, I just don't see the point of switching to Linux unless you're philosophically opposed to having Microsoft or Apple tracking you. Which is certainly a valid reason.
hedonicflux~~ on 14/9/2016 at 20:31
Quote Posted by heywood
Despite all the effort to create open source clones of commercial Windows and Mac software, there are still a lot of cases where the open source alternatives are not a suitable replacement. This is particularly true of enterprise level business management and project management software, big databases, engineering software, publishing. Here's some software I've used on a regular basis at some point in the last few years which has no real open source alternative: Mindjet Mind Manager, MS Project & Open Plan Pro, DOORS, Matlab, eggPlant, SharePoint, Windchill, Photoshop. A few of these are available for Linux, but I assume you're talking about free/open source software.
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You're assumption was wrong, I was just talking about software that runs on Linux. And I understand the need for Windows applications in business--I have no problem with Windows being the de facto OS of business. I not being a business-minded person at all, that aspect doesn't really concern me. I do have a friend who is a civil engineer though, and he uses Linux at home but I should ask him if he uses Linux at work.
Sulphur on 14/9/2016 at 20:55
Well, if Homeworld's the last game one ever played, there could be far worse choices.
I do feel slightly sorry though for the kind of person who's convinced themself that the likes of Okami, The Last of Us, or Alien: Isolation aren't worth experiencing, but then again, taste isn't a universal thing.
Nameless Voice on 14/9/2016 at 21:43
The funny thing is that there wasn't even a Homeworld game released in 2001.
hedonicflux~~ on 14/9/2016 at 22:35
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
The funny thing is that there wasn't even a Homeworld game released in 2001.
1999, my bad. My memory is rusty. Okay so replace my statement above with 1999.
I thought there was a game realeased in 2001 that I liked but I can't remember it..
Nameless Voice on 14/9/2016 at 22:46
Consider that Thief 2, System Shock 2 and Deus Ex - the games that these forums are known for - were all released after that.
(Not to mention Dark Messiah, Dark Souls, Vampire Bloodlines, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Gothic, etc.)
Chade on 14/9/2016 at 22:53
As a fellow arch and xmonad user, I'd just like to say we're not all off the deep end ... :erg:
hedonicflux, it's certainly true that xmonad and presumably other tiling window managers give you tools you can use to work with big GUI programs that like to open up lots of oddly sized panels and mouse driven interaction everywhere. But the way you do that is by forgoing the benefits of the tiling window manager. I have a fullscreen mode I use. You place your programs in their own workspace. Either way, the point of a windows tiling manager is to have all the programs that are relevant to you for your current task displayed together in a space-efficient way by default, without any fiddling, and have efficient ways of switching back and forth between them. That benefit is lost if your big GUI program is taking up the entire screen.
