Tomi on 8/9/2022 at 19:26
So it finally happened. Queen Elizabeth II has passed away.
I suppose it doesn't really affect my life as I'm not a huge fan of the Royal Family and she's not my queen anyway, but it's weird to think that THE queen is dead. Yeah there are other queens but they're not like proper queens surely (no offense to any royalists out there). Elizabeth has ruled since the Middle Ages or something - I bet she has always been the queen - and... now she no longer isn't! I'm not particularly sad or anything, this is just somewhat odd. Having said that, she seemed like a fairly good apple too for someone in such a high and privileged position.
But what's going to happen now? The Brits will "mourn" for a couple of days and Liz Truss will be able to destroy the country while no one pays attention, but after that? They'll even have to change their national anthem! The Sex Pistols song is now obsolete! England's biggest tourist attraction is gone! It's an end of an era for sure. Could it be the end of the monarchy as well? :o This would be the perfect moment and I think the royal family should take this opportunity and retire to some nice and cosy castle somewhere, but I wonder if getting rid of the monarchy is even possible.
Starker on 8/9/2022 at 20:17
I have had about the same relation to the Elizabeth II as I have to Kissinger -- every now and then I get reminded of them, go, "Oh, I guess they are still alive," and continue whatever I was doing. And I'm not generally one to spend much time thinking about dead celebrities, even if they were complete monsters in life. Hating a corpse is about as pointless as hating Mars or the square-cube law. That said, though, I will make an exception for Kissinger and maybe Bush jr and have a nice cold beer to enjoy or something.
The concept or royalty itself I find obscene, though -- it's the 21st century and we're still clinging to the idea that some people are special because of their blood and should enjoy wealth and special privilege because of it.
But anyway, I guess England now has one of them king Charleses again. So it goes.
Tomi on 8/9/2022 at 21:50
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The concept or royalty itself I find obscene, though -- it's the 21st century and we're still clinging to the idea that some people are special because of their blood and should enjoy wealth and special privilege because of it.
Yeah, it is indeed quite obscene, isn't it? I suppose it's just one of those traditions that are sort of nice to have around, for some people anyway. The British monarchy is an institution that has existed for centuries, and people in general don't seem to like anything to change, ever. I see this whole Royal Family business as one big LARP event really. The royals like to pretend that they're important and everyone follows some silly protocol when dealing with them, even though they have no real power. They probably remind the Brits of their glorious past or something. For everyone else they're just celebrities among others, ancient relics and strange curiosities in a modern world. I do wonder why everything that the royal family does is somehow newsworthy even in the Finnish media though.
Cipheron on 8/9/2022 at 22:39
Plus he was always being mocked for advocating environmental issues. Guy was ahead of the curve.
Quote Posted by Tomi
They'll even have to change their national anthem! The Sex Pistols song is now obsolete!
The Sex Pistols were already obsolete in 1979, and this is from someone who loves punk (actually i think the more people actually know about punk the less they generally like the sex pistols). The Pistols were the manufactured "boy band" of punk. A New York Dolls knock-off band fabricated by Malcolm McLaren with all clothing made by his then-girlfriend's fashion label.
That said. The song is in fact already "God Save the KING". Goes back to 1745 at the least, with hints at an earlier origin.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Save_the_King)
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The lyrics as published in the Gentleman's Magazine in 1745 ran:
God save great George our king,
Long live our noble king,
God save the king.
Send him victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us,
God save the king!
Also: NOT the national anthem. The UK has no official anthem. God Save the King is played in official royal-related circumstances, but the choice of version depending on the monarch's gender is already built into the rules.
Tocky on 9/9/2022 at 02:49
I'm not going to cry over it, but it is momentous. I admit I liked having her around. I know they are essentially figureheads, but she seemed like the last royal to actually fit the part. She truly did give up quite a bit to serve. Sure, it was a posh service, but it's still a form of cage. I wouldn't want to do it. I suppose it is the comfort of tradition, but also a personification of a nation, like placing your fidelity and loyalty in the figure of a person instead of a flag as symbol. But it is a comfort somehow. This tradition can speak and pull a nation together in times of trouble. It can remind a people who they are. As traditions go that isn't so bad.
Perhaps I will feel Charles fits the role after a time. Long live King Charles, then.
Cipheron on 9/9/2022 at 03:15
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Long live King Charles, then.
A toast to to King Charles ... III
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BTW, it starts:
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https://t.me/PatriotVoiceOfficial/27569)
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The Queen died EXACTLY 1776 days after the first Q drop.
Say what you want...
I do NOT believe in coincidences.
The scope of this operation is FAR more complex than we can even begin to imagine
These guys (who also back Putin) are basically saying that Trump had the Queen murdered 1776 days after the first Q drop, to send a message, and they like what they're hearing.
They're also saying since it was Sept 8, 9+8 = 17 = Q.
Other sources, more often British ones, are playing the "she was one of the reptilian overlords" angle.
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https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy7d5k/qanon-queen-elizabeth-ii)
Rizopas on 9/9/2022 at 03:52
Quote Posted by Tomi
I suppose it doesn't really affect my life as I'm not a huge fan of the Royal Family and she's not my queen anyway, but it's weird to think that THE queen is dead.
I can completely agree with this, i am not British but Liz has been the queen always for what i know!
Tocky on 9/9/2022 at 04:24
Quote Posted by Cipheron
A toast to to King Charles ... III.
Toasted.
Everything is far more complex than Q can imagine. Tying a tie, or opening a cereal box, or just not drinking poison.
A thing to think about is that she wasn't just a royal but a mother and grandmother and friend. As such there are people grieving her as simply that. I wish the nuts would choke on a nut and shut the fuck up for a day or two but nuts gotta nut, I reckon.
I'm sure everyone has heard this but it humanizes her so well...
[video=youtube_share;Uw9g1Q74t4s]https://youtu.be/Uw9g1Q74t4s[/video]
mxleader on 9/9/2022 at 04:33
I'm okay with an ornamental monarchy as a constant reminder of why the US exists as it does today. Not to mention all the Netflix shows it has inspired these past few years.
On a side note: the tiktoks have been on fire with hatred towards the queen. Everyone but the monarchy is lining up to take a shot at the deceased queen especially indigenous people all over the world.