Jason Moyer on 29/2/2016 at 00:34
IMO Beethoven wasn't a real musician because he couldn't get a bunch of progmetal tards to think he was brilliant by playing rock drums in 7/8.
june gloom on 29/2/2016 at 00:44
Quote Posted by Brethren
Kanye is a gigantic douchebag. I could never listen to or buy any of his music. Sometimes you just can't see past the person.
Well, if we're going by previous discussions about Roman Polanski and his child rape conviction that he fled the country to avoid sentencing on, I guess you just hate art, huh?
EvaUnit02 on 29/2/2016 at 03:27
I haven't gotten around to listening to this whole record (or Yeezus for that matter), but it must be said that My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was a fantastic album. A fabulous commentary on the demonising of hiphop by wider society and being self-aware of the excess of the successful hiphop artist lifestyle.
(The one song that I DID HEAR was awful though. A "Southern-style hip-hop" Trap-laden turd.)
Stitch on 29/2/2016 at 17:21
Quote Posted by Random_Taffer
I'll be curious to see what the critical opinion of Kanye's albums are about 20 years from now.
Me too, actually. Despite me being the most vocal representation of the "pro Kanye" side of this thread, I really have no idea how well his music is going to age (which is why I compared <I>Yeezus</I> to "recent-ish greats," as opposed to anything that has truly stood the test of time (although <I>OK Computer</I> is almost 20 years old now that I'm doing the math, which seems almost beyond possibility).
Of course, do any great hiphop albums stand the test of time? Does anyone still crank <I>Fear of a Black Planet</I> or <I>Illmatic</I>? Are younger people now spinning <I>Paul's Boutique</I> or <I>Raising Hell</I> for the first time and discovering universes opening up before them? Maybe so, but my hunch is a lot of the urgency and individual personality that make hiphop so exciting also limit its legacy potential beyond nostalgia.
Which I'd <I>love</I> to be wrong about.
Sulphur on 29/2/2016 at 18:41
I crank Wugazi from time to time, but that's only because as a mash-up it's pretty sublime. A line like 'Wu Tang is for the children' probably doesn't quite resonate with any children now, but then, I doubt it ever actually did. Old Dirty Bastard's still great to listen with context or without, though.
froghawk on 29/2/2016 at 18:56
I'm 26 and I discovered 2pacalypse Now last year and had my mind blown. I couldn't believe the ballsiness of what he was saying. I listened to Ice Cube's Death Certificate the other day and was really impressed by it - relentless slams against everyone that still sting today. And yes, I still crank Fear of a Blank Planet and Illmatic - the latter has been on my playlist this week, in fact. I can listen to an old school Dre record and still love the production. So yes, they absolutely do stand the test of time. Some more than others, of course.
Stitch on 29/2/2016 at 19:26
Well cool :)
It's a tough thing for me to personally gauge, as I'm too old to listen to this stuff completely divorced from the era from which it came.
Renault on 29/2/2016 at 19:37
Raising Hell and Paul's Boutique are all-time classics for me, still play them often. All PE on the other hand seems to have gone by the wayside in recent years.
Renault on 29/2/2016 at 20:14
While we're at it, any Eric B and Rakim fans out there?
Tony_Tarantula on 29/2/2016 at 20:31
Eh, could be worse. The mass market popularity of techno in recent years bodes very poorly for what's going to happen in the future. It doesn't take that much popularity for something to turn into a homogenous mass of indistinguishable mediocrity.
