elkston on 17/3/2009 at 18:39

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I was a bit doubtful at first too, but always planned to give the mod a chance (We owe them this at least for all their work). I am not regretting it one bit. Believe me, once you are actually playing the mod, the zany initial premise easily drifts into the background and it is very much like the DX world we know and love: conpsiracies, security systems, sewers, office complexes, corporate espionage, slums, nightclubs, quick-marts, etc.

The writing and voice acting are quite good and you are not constantly hit over the head with META-jokes about internet forums and their users. As far as the characters are concerned this world is REAL, and indeed it does feel like a real city. There is the right balance of seriousness and quirkiness.

The fact that the "world" is simply a visual manifestation of a series of Internet Forums does not mean that DX gameplay and atmosphere have been co-opted. This is still a near-future sci-fi adventure. It simply gives us a different point of origin from which we can explore familiar settings and gameplay.

chris the cynic on 17/3/2009 at 19:15

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ZB

The first dialogue tree you get only gives you a series of forum references if you explicitly ask it to. So the question I have is, why on earth would gamadict choose to listen to something he thinks "nobody could possibly care about or be entertained by"?

If you go into the game and say, "I don't think I'll like doing this one specific thing, I guess I'll do this one specific thing," you are trying to hate it. There are things I know I won't like, for example I won't like playing the game by killing everyone in sight because I prefer protecting civilians to slaughtering them, so you know what I don't do? I don't kill everyone in sight.

You should not be surprised that someone who wanted to hate the game did, in fact, hate the game. Perhaps you should look for a less biased source. (That source will not be me, I freely admit I am biased.)

The same goes for the next thing you quoted. No one makes you have those conversations, you have to frob the people, and then choose to continue the conversation. Why choose to ask those characters about Deus Ex if you don't want them to tell you about Deus Ex? It isn't as if the conversations said, "Listen to this and you'll get a reward," they said, "Do you want to know anything about Deus Ex?" and one of the options was, "No." (This is paraphrased slightly.)

If you don't want the people in the book shop to tell you about Deus Ex, don't ask them. It is equally valid to kill everyone in the book shop with a screwdriver before they even open their mouths. If you chose to do something you will not like, then you will not like the game. I don't see how that makes it a valid criticism though. If the game made you do something you don't like that would be a different story, but the quoted comments made no such claims.

chris the cynic on 17/3/2009 at 19:51

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No they don't.

That's what you're missing. You don't.

First off, if the dialogue in question was necessary it wouldn't be optional. Frob the character to check, yes, but after that if one of your options is, "I have to go now," "I don't care about this," or "Please for the love of god shut up," it should be pretty clear it is optional because the game just came out and gave you the option to listen or not.

The dialogue they were talking about was optional, you had to ask for it. Not just activate the character, you had to ask for them to tell you the things that those two didn't want to hear. Which means they said, "I could get down to the business of playing how I like to play, or ask for information I don't want, I guess I'll ask for information I don't want."

Second, are there people you have to talk to? Yes. And these people are made explicitly clear to you. If you load up the game you will find that you get messages saying, "Meet me [somewhere]," anyone else you can ignore. With a couple of exceptions you can also kill them. Said exceptions should be made clear by the plot.

The same was true in Deus Ex. If you needed to talk to someone somebody told you (either via infolink or someone you were previously told to talk to), otherwise it was optional. The only exception being Nicolette in Paris, but you had been told to talk to Nico, and had a picture, so if you had half a brain you'd figure it out and you knew you only had one small map to search.

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Also, I am not intimately involved in the creation of TNM, I was involved with creating one background character and I was a beta tester. When I was beta testing no one told me, "This person is important to talk to, this one isn't," yet I was able to figure it out anyway.

Also, here is someone in no way involved in the creation of TNM:
(http://www.moddb.com/mods/the-nameless-mod/features/moddb-preview-the-nameless-mod)

Kaleid on 17/3/2009 at 21:16

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Yes. Because there are sooo many new good games to choose from. :rolleyes:

DDL on 17/3/2009 at 22:55

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Hmmm...well let's see. We appear to have people who

1) Go OMFG a DX mod!!!oneone

2) download mod

3) shit all over it because they can't be arsed to figure out elemental aspects

I mean, it's just..bizarre.

And half of them seem to be damning it outright without even playing it, which surely you can admit is a bit stupid, not to mention shortsighted?

It's just frustrating to know how much work the team have put into this, and yet see people going "FANFIC LOL. UR TARDS" and basically giving up, without even having a look.


Y'see?

Also, by taking offence you seem to be placing yourself voluntarily in the 'utter retard' category, which wasn't what I was implying, but nonetheless interesting.

Also, what the hell do you mean "come to a game forum"? I was already here. *sigh*


Anyway, just give it a try, peeps.