Queue on 9/6/2010 at 14:41
No it's not.
WTF!
Shug on 9/6/2010 at 15:16
I'm impressed RBJ managed to multiquote himself perfectly while intoxicated
T-Smith on 9/6/2010 at 17:42
Quote Posted by Shug
I'm impressed RBJ managed to multiquote himself perfectly while intoxicated
Another mystery I'm sure we'll never get a real explanation for.
Rug Burn Junky on 9/6/2010 at 19:20
Quote Posted by Shug
I'm impressed RBJ managed to multiquote himself perfectly while intoxicated
Not only that, I went back in time to 2006. You can tell that it's a different timeline, because in that one I'm wearing a beard.
Queue on 9/6/2010 at 19:23
Mine's named Shirley.
SubJeff on 9/6/2010 at 22:17
The thing is, RBJ, if anyone was to make a series like Lost that was all the things we'd like it to be - well written, coherent yet multi-stranded and complex plot that all adds up at the end, with just the right amount of character focus and development to make us care without becoming a soap - you'd get a sci-fi version of The Wire.
I'd love this, but I'll never expect it.
Scots Taffer on 9/6/2010 at 22:38
I've got a hard on that so many of those quoted posts were directed at me
:swoon:
Martek on 10/6/2010 at 00:39
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That one's been answered, and rather elegantly at that. Remember Ben turning the donkey wheel and ending up in the middle of the desert? Remember those contraptions in the bear cages? Remember how cold it was in the donkey wheel chamber?
The one thing that doesn't particularly make sense is how old the polar bear skeleton is, but the island does wonky stuff with time, so I guess that one can be handwaved away.
I don't think so.
Yes those pieces you mentioned were in place. Perhaps to imply that "result" that the bears were trained to go in there and turn the wheel.
But there are unaswered problems with that scenerio (IMO).
* Dharma was shown to have at some point built the "test cage" in front of, and hence, blocking, the "cave passage".
* Even if a bear "turned the wheel" prior to Dharma building the test chamber, the "cave passage" itself is very narrow, and would have been very difficult for the large polar bear to navigate it, drop through the hole at the end, and then turn the wheel.
* A polar bear would not have the "dexterity" of a human. Ben "knocked the wheel loose" when he turned it (and it took Locke turning it again later to "put it right"). A polar bear would have had a high chance of doing the same or worse "damage" to the wheel; but there hasn't ever been any story element to suggest that occured.
* The island was constantly "moving" anyways, on its own (ref. Lampost Station). The main reason shown for turning the wheel was to affect a move "right now", like in a "crisis" situation. Indeed, that was when both Ben and John turned it: Ben to "get away" from the freighter; John to "fix" the resultant "wobbly" wheel from when Ben turned it. The only other "crisis" they showed (that Dharma would have been there during), was "the incident". TPTB never cleared up exactly what happened with that incident (did the bomb explode or not? Did a "release" of the "magic energy" occur?) - but one thing they never hinted at was any polar bears or polar bear "handlers" doing anything during that time. And besides, by that time it is highlt likely that the Orchid test chamber was already built and blocking the passage.
I know there is more "stuff" related to that point, but that's all I can think of atm. :)
T-Smith on 10/6/2010 at 01:11
The bears were around during the incident. Dr. Chang makes specific references to them and The Hydra.
That said, I agree - the pieces were put in place, but an actual "answer" was never really given. As you said though, we never really found out exactly what happened after the incident, so who knows.
Also, the point about the island always moving - is it actually? I know Hawking said it does. But does that mean it's ALWAYS moving? Or it just occasionally "shifts". I was under the impression that every time there's been a huge electromagnetic discharge (the incident, the detonation of The Swan, the turning of the wheel and the subsequent flashes after) the island shifted in both time and location. It would seem to make a lot more sense than the island just kind of magically drifting.
EDIT - It's shit like this that makes me want to see a LOST mini-series in the future. 6-8 episodes. Forget all the character development and plot twists/cliffhangers. Each episode focuses on a different time in the island's history (one episode could focus on the Egyptians, another on The Others and Walt, etc). This way ABC could milk the franchise even more, while the writers can finally give out some of those answers they promised (but were too busy wasting half of season 6 writing purgatory to bother).
Martek on 10/6/2010 at 01:37
Quote Posted by T-Smith
Also, the point about the island always moving - is it actually? I know Hawking said it does. But does that mean it's ALWAYS moving? Or it just occasionally "shifts".
Actually, that is more of what I meant. "Constantly" as in it is "repeatedly" moving; but in discrete "shifts" now and then.
Probably seemingly "random", but at least some of the discrete "shifts" are "predictable" (as shown at the Lampost).
Also, the Lamppost "predictions" never mentioned "time shifts".
Maybe the "normal" shifts only moved the island's "apparent" location at some particular time slice; but the turning of the wheel caused a more "drastic" shift that also altered where the island appeared "in time".
