nicked on 18/12/2011 at 08:04
The only thing that annoys me about that is that one of the writers of Uncharted is banging on about how terrible the state of writing is in the games industry. I mean, I enjoy the Uncharted games for their light-hearted shooty-adventuring malarkey, but the writing? Surely I'm not the only one who sees irony here?
As for the last of us, this looks like it'll be Enslaved but with vaguely realistic "survival" elements. From what little you can tell from a barely-relevant CGI render. If this "changes the f-ing industry", I will buy a particularly large hat and consume it with a side salad and chips.
Thirith on 18/12/2011 at 09:11
Quote Posted by nicked
The only thing that annoys me about that is that one of the writers of
Uncharted is banging on about how terrible the state of writing is in the games industry. I mean, I enjoy the Uncharted games for their light-hearted shooty-adventuring malarkey, but the writing? Surely I'm not the only one who sees irony here?
I, for one, don't see the irony. The games aren't deep in their writing, but they are eminently well crafted, and that includes the writing. Granted, a lot of that is in the performance, but they pull off their genre really well. Perhaps not
Raiders of the Lost Ark level, but then nothing reaches that level.
nicked on 18/12/2011 at 11:14
Uncharted is just a melting pot for cliches - there's nothing original or surprising, it's functional but hardly exceptional storytelling, but is well-paced and backed up by stellar gameplay. The dialogue is grating and guessable, the characters all 2D archetypes. Like I said, I love the Uncharted games, but I wouldn't hold them up as a good example of game writing.
Pyrian on 20/12/2011 at 18:51
Quote Posted by Thirith
Perhaps not
Raiders of the Lost Ark level, but then nothing reaches that level.
:p In which the main characters fight nazis over a magic macguffin ending in a deus ex machina. :laff:
Thirith on 20/12/2011 at 19:22
What's that got to do with anything? The quality of a film's writing has nothing to do with its subject matter.
Koki on 20/12/2011 at 19:43
Thanks for making this thread noteworthy
Pyrian on 20/12/2011 at 19:45
Quote Posted by Thirith
The quality of a film's writing has nothing to do with its subject matter.
:confused: I don't even know when people are joking here, any more. Subject and plot are
parts of a film's writing - indeed some of the most important parts, as everything must necessarily relate to them. Stating that they're unrelated is first-order absurdity. You have claimed that the quality of an applie pie is irrespective of the quality of the
apples.(P.S.: Indiana Jones works in large part because it's a comedy, and so farce is part and parcel of its makeup.)
SubJeff on 20/12/2011 at 19:57
It helps if you have an awesome plot but bad writing can ruin anything, no matter how good the premise. Similarly, good writing can raise even the most mundane to greatness.
Thirith on 20/12/2011 at 21:02
Quote Posted by Pyrian
:confused: I don't even know when people are joking here, any more. Subject and plot are
parts of a film's writing - indeed some of the most important parts, as everything must necessarily relate to them. Stating that they're unrelated is first-order absurdity. You have claimed that the quality of an applie pie is irrespective of the quality of the
apples.I'm sorry, but that's bullshit. Plot, yes, perhaps - but not subject matter. You can have a fantastically written film in any genre, on any topic. You can have great writing in a comedy, an action adventure, drama, horror film etc. Subject matter is what a film is about - writing, as much as direction, acting, editing, cinematography, determine the *how*. A film about what is usually seen as 'important' or 'deep' subject matter is in no way inherently better written.
To use your metaphor: I've claimed that an apple pie can be good, well-prepared food as much as a steak dinner as much as a five-course French menu.
Raiders of the Lost Ark may be a hamburger of a movie, but it's a nearly perfectly made hamburger.