Matthew on 17/4/2009 at 10:56
Quote Posted by mazzortock
The problem is that if you chose a closed e locked platform, then it will be more difficult to have on the future open platform. As said, it's a base ethical decision, more then a pratical.
But once again, what practical difference does open versus closed make to my primary ambition of making a phone call?
mazzortock on 17/4/2009 at 11:06
Quote Posted by Matthew
But once again, what practical difference does open versus closed make to my primary ambition of making a phone call?
A big difference: if you always tend to use a closed and locked platform, you'll never see a *good* open platform developed, simply.
It's also a big security problem: in a closed system you always don't know what the vendor do with your data. And for the lock-in POV using closed systems also generate a damage on the market, creating more expensive fees for consumers, with also lower level of competition because closed system tend to monopoly. There are also a lot of other reasons, of course.
Think about it.
Matthew on 17/4/2009 at 11:39
With respect, that is not answering my question. How does having the phone open or closed impact on my ability to make a phone call with it?
David on 17/4/2009 at 11:43
Quote Posted by mazzortock
I'm using an OpenMoko phone, and for my point of view, is a FAR better solution (i can use it as a ssh remote terminal and modify ALL in the software there and also the hardware...).
Oh god, you're one of
them.
I work with mobile phones on an almost daily basis and have had the misfortune of using an OpenMoko for a short period of time.
If that is the best that 'open' can bring to the table, then bring on the chains and lock me up good, because that thing is terrible.
Kolya on 17/4/2009 at 12:06
Quote Posted by Matthew
With respect, that is not answering my question. How does having the phone open or closed impact on my ability to make a phone call with it?
You obviously don't need an iphone if your only ambition is to make a phone call. So stop trying to artificially reduce the discussion to this point.
Matthew on 17/4/2009 at 12:08
Yes, thank you for the blindingly obvious revelation that every mobile phone can make a phone call, Kolya. I don't know what we'd do without you.
Kolya on 17/4/2009 at 12:48
You'd probably die crossing a street, trying to make a phone call without haptic feedback from your eye-phone.
mazzortock on 17/4/2009 at 13:01
Quote Posted by Matthew
With respect, that is not answering my question. How does having the phone open or closed impact on my ability to make a phone call with it?
Of course you can make a call also on a leash. The *ability* to make a call, it's a consequences of the software and the hardware that *you* chose.
Quote Posted by David
Oh god, you're one of
them.
I can say exactly the same for you or for the supercool guys with a supercool iBlob, "one of them", yes.
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I work with mobile phones on an almost daily basis and have had the misfortune of using an OpenMoko for a short period of time.
If that is the best that 'open' can bring to the table, then bring on the chains and lock me up good, because that thing is terrible.
It's a pretty non constructive and useless critics like this, that are very bad in the open world.
At this stage, the Openmoko it's *not* a phone for general use, like always said from the company itself and all the users in the world. Today it's still a sort of geek toy, but the idea it's to diffuse this concept in the phone world, and have a great community that understand and develop community based software all based on opensource. That said, i perfectly use my Moko as everyday phone with QTExtend (ex Qtopia from TrollTech) and i can say that it works pretty well. You have some troubles if you use other experimental distros on the phone (Openmoko, FSO, SHR, Hackable,...), that are mostly in strong development, and this is absolutely normal that these are not stable. It's of course an early stage project, as you know it's not at all simple to develop a framework for this mobile platform with ZERO money all based on community, and the idea it's to make it more usable for *normal* people as soon as possibile.
But, hey, the big difference is that with the Openmoko hardware i can ALWAYS chose
what software install on my phone, and, more important, modify it as i like it. With iLock and other phones on the market you can't do nothing comparable, simply.
Quote Posted by Kolya
You obviously don't need an iphone if your only ambition is to make a phone call. So stop trying to artificially reduce the discussion to this point.
I agree :D
Matthew on 17/4/2009 at 13:45
So in other words, if all I want to do is make a few calls and check my email there's no real reason not to choose an iPhone?
Quote Posted by mazzortock
iBlob, iLock
At this point however I stop taking you seriously too.
And Kolya, I need no help in nearly getting hit crossing the street, I can do that all too well on my own. :p
mazzortock on 17/4/2009 at 14:07
Quote Posted by Matthew
So in other words, if all I want to do is make a few calls and check my email there's no real reason not to choose an iPhone?
*Real reason* that i reported (huge lock-in problem, primarily). Of course if you think that the use an open platform it's some sort an useless *optional*, you always will use closed and locked things.
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At this point however I stop taking you seriously too.
No problem for me, but i can explain: i don't want to pay some strange trademark for writing that name (it's always possibile with Apple...), and i absolutely don't want to make more free advertising for this product name for a company and his products that a totally hate and disaprove.
"iBlob and iLock" are the right names for these devices, that's my opinion, you can of course disagree, it's not a problem.
