mazzortock on 16/4/2009 at 00:07
Quote Posted by Matthew
I'm not going to claim that the iPhone is perfect, far from it, but to dismiss it casually as mazzortock has just done (at least, I think he did) is pretty short-sighted too.
I will admit that for the first few weeks of its life having people approach me on the street to ask about it did make me feel a bit smug.
For me it's a base ethical problem: Apple sell ALWAYS with a lock-in method in mind, it's the Apple business to push status symbol, to create glamour way of life with super strong mass-marketing and make money with it. This is Lock-in explained:
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https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Vendor_lock-in)
Well, i'm free to say that i
totally disagree with this model, easy. If i don't like this model, i don't use it and i boycott it because
for me it's a very bad model.
If you like it, well... good for you, each to their own. Of course Apple it's not the only one in the world with this absurd business model and ethical background, but, let's say, it's the more exposed, active and famous in the hi-tech world, so it can be a major example.
Quote Posted by Ulukai
You fatties had to go and start this when I was away.
Love my iPhone, for all the right reasons. If your reason has the word "fashionista" in it, I'm not in your camp and I feel the need to ignore your dudes.
You can ignore what you want, of course. The problem it's not the glamour or the stylish gadget. These are effects, not the cause.
Simply i don't want to be telecommanded by a vendor, with his technical choises artificially created just to lock my decisions and get more money with it.
If you like this, good for you and your super cool iPhone. :D
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Hate iTunes, it feels so bloated.
For me iTunes it' really equal to a (legal) Worm or a Virus :cheeky:
SubJeff on 16/4/2009 at 00:19
Quote Posted by Daemonwings
Love my iPhone for the times I'm out and my hubby says "if we only had the phone number for someplace or where's the closest whatever store" and I go online or on the (google) map app and find what we need.
You can have pretty much this on a Blackberry too. Tbh I only got the Blackberry because it was a on a deal, but so far I'm happy with it. I use my iPod Shuffle for MP3s on the move (or more usually my car stereo) with MediaMonkey, not iTunes.
EvaUnit02 on 16/4/2009 at 02:22
Why the fuck would anyone want to play mobile ports of the Thief trilogy? The controls would be far shittier than any gamepad.
Just use a notebook PC and a USB mouse, FFS.
RavynousHunter on 16/4/2009 at 02:31
For the same reason people experiment with anything... they're curious.
Personally, if I'm going for one of the newer-gen phones, I won't go for an iPhone because I don't want anything that's had Steve Jobs' dick all over it.
EvaUnit02 on 16/4/2009 at 03:49
Actually FPSes in general suck without a mouse or at least dual analogue. Proof: any FPS for PSP. Also the fact that Id Software's mobile games are RPGs, rather than actual FPSes.
Matthew on 16/4/2009 at 09:15
Quote Posted by mazzortock
For me it's a base ethical problem: <snip>
For me iTunes it' really equal to a (legal) Worm or a Virus :cheeky:
I know what a lock-in is, thanks, but I don't really see what difference it makes to me in my everyday use of this phone. Would I prefer it open? Yes. Does it impact my use of it that it is not open? No. Besides, all contract-based mobiles are 'locked' in a different way to a certain extent via the minimum term of the contract with the mobile operator.
And the iTunes crack is just getting a bit silly.
Quote Posted by RavynousHunter
Personally, if I'm going for one of the newer-gen phones, I won't go for an iPhone because I don't want anything that's had Steve Jobs' dick all over it.
This is the sort of answer that makes me not take the proponent at all seriously, by the way.
Vivian on 16/4/2009 at 09:26
I'm basically just happy to have a single device in my pocket that lets me sync my working calendar, email and all that crap, read a bunch of papers and books, listen to music (pretty decent) and watch videos (pretty outstanding, actually), browse the web, play some good games and find out where the fuck I am, all without spoiling the line of my drainpipe jeans. I know sansa make better mp3 players and cowon's are probably all round better for media, HTC probably make better pdas etc but as an all-in-one solution the iPhone is pretty tough to beat. I'm a little shy about snuggling up to the apple monolith, but I think anyone who thinks they're somehow NOT playing into the hands of some bunch of filthy cooporate robots these days is fooling themselves.
Next gen google phone might be better when it comes out, because making google richer is way cooler than making apple richer
mazzortock on 17/4/2009 at 10:33
Quote Posted by Matthew
I don't really see what difference it makes to me in my everyday use of this phone. Would I prefer it open? Yes. Does it impact my use of it that it is not open? No.
The problem is that if you chose a closed e locked platform, then it will be more difficult to have on the future open platform. As said, it's a base ethical decision, more then a pratical.
If you prefer open platform, you would have to avoid closed and locked platform.
Quote Posted by Vivian
I'm basically just happy to have a single device in my pocket that lets me sync my working calendar, email and all that crap, read a bunch of papers and books, listen to music (pretty decent) and watch videos (pretty outstanding, actually), browse the web, play some good games and find out where the fuck I am, all without spoiling the line of my drainpipe jeans.
Proprietary and closed platform are always easier to use. But this happens always in our life: if you use a closed plaform, you have to interface with ordered patterns, lower entropy.
Open platforms, like the knowledge, are always an effort and a sacrifice to use. But if you chose closed, then it will be very difficult to promote open, this is the simple paradigma.
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I know sansa make better mp3 players and cowon's are probably all round better for media, HTC probably make better pdas etc but as an all-in-one solution the iPhone is pretty tough to beat.
I'm using an OpenMoko phone, and for my point of view, is a FAR better solution (i can use it as a ssh remote terminal and modify ALL in the software there and also the hardware...).
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Next gen google phone might be better when it comes out, because making google richer is way cooler than making apple richer
"Cooler" then SuperCoolApple?
Mmmh, I don't think so.
EvaUnit02 on 17/4/2009 at 10:41
I dunno about mobiles, but I'd take Windows over Lunix any day. Having to compile pratically every new app and game to work on the specific distro that I'm using, definitely sounds like fun times.
mazzortock on 17/4/2009 at 10:52
Quote Posted by EvaUnit02
Having to compile pratically every new app and game to work on the specific distro that I'm using, definitely sounds like fun times.
That's not true. With recent Friendly Distros (IE Ubuntu, Mandriva, OpenSuse, Fedora, etc... ), nobody has to compile anything. Compile was a need on the past and with some distro (IE Gentoo), but today really you don't need to compile.
I and my friends and family use Debian and Ubuntu on everyday task, never a problem.
