WCarnation on 20/12/2007 at 02:28
Quote Posted by Alinestra Covelia
You wrote "neural" in one place to describe the protagonist, but it still makes good sense in that sentence :)
The hacker's actions may have been key factors in some of SS1's greatest evils, but I don't see him as really having much personal choice in the matter. He makes some bad decisions under great duress, but doesn't have the same instigator status as Diego, nor the later malevolence of SHODAN.
If it wasn't for the hacker, SHODAN would be peacefully running Citadel Station and Edward Diego would've been known as just another bent CEO.
catbarf on 20/12/2007 at 02:59
Quote Posted by WCarnation
If it wasn't for the hacker, SHODAN would be peacefully running Citadel Station and Edward Diego would've been known as just another bent CEO.
Butterflies in China cause tornadoes in the U.S.
Therefore, we must exterminate the butterflies. Tornadoes are their fault.
Are you seeing the problem with this logic yet?
Trance on 20/12/2007 at 05:45
Biggest villain? Certainly not. The Hacker poked around where he shouldn't have gone, and got nabbed by TriOptimum. Everything after that was essentially "do this or die". Diego may have touched on a sense of greed in the Hacker with his offer, but if we know anything about Diego it's his propensity to exploit others for his own gain. Plus there was no other viable option. Say he refused; if TriOptimum didn't kill him outright they'd have locked him away for however long they cared to keep him.
I guess you could say the Hacker's initial foray into the TriOptimum Corporate Network was a bad thing, but not something you could classify as villainous.
demagogue on 20/12/2007 at 06:22
Quote Posted by Alinestra Covelia
You wrote "neural" in one place to describe the protagonist, but it still makes good sense in that sentence :)
Haha ... I completely missed that.
pnK on 20/12/2007 at 07:06
I'd say Diego was much more of a villain than the Hacker. Like mentioned before, after the Hacker gets caught by TriOp he hasn't really had a choice anymore. Diego instead wants total control over Citadel Station which in my opinion is much more "evil" then "hacking around accessing some information". So basically, if Diego wasn't there, the incident would have never happened either. He seems so much more like the driving force behind the events before it all gets going.
demagogue on 20/12/2007 at 09:46
Well, if you want to bring criminal law into it ... duress is an issue, but assuming you get over that hurdle, you might be able to get the Hacker on a conspiracy charge, the lowest hanging fruit on the "intent" branch. He just has to be knowingly involved in an organization conducting criminal activity, and (usually) commit some overt act of participation, even if he doesn't have a direct connection to the crime taking place or know its ins and outs (like the pilot that doesn't "know" the drugs he's flying somewhere are going to end up eventually sold in Chicago.) There might be something there. Esp if Diego had in mind all along running an organization to do some dodgy stuff; the co-conspirators don't have to know too much to share culpability.
... Sorry, just had to respond to the legal point. Back to talk of literary archetypes ... it's more relevant anyway.
rhoelzl on 21/12/2007 at 19:13
Quote Posted by WCarnation
All the blame pivots on him.
I'm pretty sure he will go straight to hell... wait... if there were a hell, then he would... wait... if there were a hell and if he weren't fictional, then he would.
Yeah, I am pretty sure 'bout that.
TheNightTerror on 21/12/2007 at 23:59
Quote Posted by Alinestra Covelia
A Melee trait would make you very strong and somewhat slow like a Rumbler.
Now, I know I haven't been gone from SS2 so long that I've forgotten this, but last time I checked, rumblers were anything but slow?
TheNightTerror on 22/12/2007 at 07:05
Ah well, that makes them that much more fun for me. :ebil:
I'm out of shape, I got my ass handed to me by the Thief 2 equivelant of a rumbler the other day. I should fire up SS2 again sometime and see if I'm as bad off as I seemed to be.
EvaUnit02 on 22/12/2007 at 16:34
Quote Posted by TheNightTerror
Ah well, that makes them that much more fun for me. :ebil:
I'm out of shape, I got my ass handed to me by the Thief 2 equivelant of a rumbler the other day. I should fire up SS2 again sometime and see if I'm as bad off as I seemed to be.
Rumblers are ridiculously easy with an Assault Rifle+Anti-Personnel rounds+high level standard weapons use. Even with ADaoB's handicapped AR damage.
