Starker on 16/9/2022 at 00:30
Well, out of those nearly 400 cops surrounding the school, at least there was one who tried to do the right thing initially, so you can't really say that they are all beyond saving. There still seems to be an occasional good apple in the bunch. Nevertheless, that child who smeared herself in her friend's blood to play dead and risked everything to call 911 using the dead teacher's phone had more courage than all of them. Sadly, she didn't know that the police in the US (
https://prospect.org/justice/police-have-no-duty-to-protect-the-public/) have no obligation to protect people.
Tocky on 16/9/2022 at 17:32
Do you suppose the other 399 pulled him back to save face for their cowardice? Every time I think about it I fail to understand how anyone could listen to children being shot and not rush to do something. Forget the obligation of your job, where is the obligation of your humanity? Maybe I would run in combat. I don't know. I haven't been tested. But listening to kids die would have to be where my cowardice ends. It's inconceivable.
Starker on 16/9/2022 at 18:14
Apparently, he turned back when nobody followed him and was assigned elsewhere:
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https://www.yahoo.com/video/amid-failures-uvalde-school-shooting-200601507.html)
There was another cop whose wife was a teacher in the school and was shot and later died. He wanted to go in there, but was stopped and disarmed by other cops.
Also, they didn't just listen to the children getting shot, the children also called 911 and begged for help for nearly an entire hour.
hopper on 16/9/2022 at 19:08
The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is not to call the Uvalde cops, that‘s for sure.
Starker on 16/9/2022 at 19:26
For sure, but there were all kinds of cops there from all over the state -- from border patrol, San Antonio PD, county sheriff's office, Department of Homeland Security, US Marshals, DEA agents, Texas Department of Public Safety (state police whose responsibility specifically includes mass attacks in public places)...
But, according to people like Ted Cruz, the solution is apparently more cops and more funding to the existing cops... Maybe the parents should have offered money to the cops, then they had done something sooner?
mxleader on 18/9/2022 at 05:19
The Uvalde police department has done a fine job proving that they have little interest in protecting anything beyond their paychecks.
Starker on 4/3/2023 at 03:18
Sometimes, gun debates in the US are fascinating to watch, from a purely anthropological perspective:
[video=youtube;tCuIxIJBfCY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCuIxIJBfCY[/video]
Necrohowl on 11/3/2023 at 18:57
I love guns.
demagogue on 11/3/2023 at 19:32
This is a gaming forum, so I would even bet a majority of people here like to play shooters and love the idea of guns in the purely mechanical and functional way, in the sport of body and machine working together to shoot something accurately to "make progress" in the most direct way of eliminating the bad guys as obstacles. And they have deep historical connections--guns were central to cultures brewed in the outback, like hunting culture; they stopped the Nazis from conquering the West, and were key to other national salvation moments; etc.
All of those are valid reasons to love guns by themselves if you could put aside any social or moral ramifications. But in the real world of course you can't put aside the social and moral ramifications of real guns killing real people out in the real streets without any mitigating justification. There's your rub.
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I didn't see that video posted above earlier. Being in Oklahoma these days, well I wanted to say I have no idea how people think here, but honestly I know all too well how people think here. I don't think it's really that different from any middle American region. It's just in the culture and people are saturated in it.
heywood on 4/5/2023 at 12:44
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https://nypost.com/2023/05/03/texas-weatherman-slammed-after-warning-kids-from-ringing-doorbells/) https://nypost.com/2023/05/03/texas-weatherman-slammed-after-warning-kids-from-ringing-doorbells/
This is not a story about a shooting, thankfully, but I think it highlights the circular reasoning driving gun culture. In the absence of any existential threat, they will invent a threat to justify their own dangerous behavior. In this case, Robbins' threat is a little neighbor girl.
I don't understand how this is making America great again. It seems more like making it into Central America.