Tocky on 13/8/2022 at 22:29
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
All Obamacare does is outlaw cheap health insurance plans for younger, healthier people. It forces everyone to get more expensive plans that cover EVERYTHING, even things you don't want.
Not really surprising since the bill was written by the insurance corporations. But anyway, not really relevant to the gun topic.
Bullshit. It outlaws bullshit plans that don't help anyone. Plans that charge money for doing nothing except a miniscule amount in catastrophic cases. It instead offers real insurance that does real good. I know. I have it. I've USED it. IT WORKS. You can't tell me shit because I KNOW. Why? BECAUSE I HAVE IT.
Tocky on 13/8/2022 at 22:30
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
Someone else shoots kids, and I have to turn in my guns? Doesn't make sense. Some other guy commits rape, are you going to cut your dick off?
NOBODY HAS SAID THAT. That is just the scare tactic by Republican scaremongers and you fell for it.
RippedPhreak on 13/8/2022 at 22:53
Well just hypothetically, let's say guns are now 100% illegal. All law-abiding average citizens turn theirs in. So the drug gangs still have theirs, and they can keep getting more through their criminal contacts. Now what?
Starker on 13/8/2022 at 23:00
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
Well just hypothetically, let's say guns are now 100% illegal. All law-abiding average citizens turn theirs in. So the drug gangs still have theirs, and they can keep getting more through their criminal contacts. Now what?
Now you're Japan with practically 0 gun deaths.
But that's beside the point, because people on the gun control side are not aiming to become Japan. From what I gather, US gun control advocates would be more than happy to become Canada or Finland or the like -- plenty of guns to go around, sincere efforts made to keep the guns in hands of responsible owners.
Tocky on 13/8/2022 at 23:04
WE both know that would never happen so it's moot but sure, if everyone turned theirs in (LOL never happen if you know rednecks) and all that were left were the drug gangs then law enforcement would have to execute warrants to take them and there would be gunplay- for awhile. Then there would be no guns except for what was coming over the border so the effort would have to be concentrated there and the coast guard. It would never be 100% but gun deaths overall would be down 95% of what they are now.
Like I said mooooooooot. Never happen.
Draxil on 14/8/2022 at 00:34
Quote Posted by Tocky
Google bar graphs on it and not a lot pops up. You get plenty of articles but Republicans never read anything. I had to go with what I could find. Even hitting Images didn't help. But thanks for calling me dishonest. From you that is an honor. I've come to understand the way you argue.
I fully understand the way this country was settled. I fully understand hunting. I grew up doing it. What I don't fully understand is the fear being pumped into conservatives just to sell guns. Why fall for it? Talk about gnashing of teeth. What concerns me most is when conservatives don't react to ACTUAL things they should fear like the number of mass shootings even of school kids with anything but thoughts and prayers and MORE GUNS.
Republicans never read anything? The irony is almost overwhelming, Tocky.
I don't think progressives get to point fingers on fear mongering. Since Columbine, 169 school children have died in school shootings. When you consider the 10s of millions that have gone through public school in the nealy 25 years since, the statistical probability of being shot in school is practically nil. I don't think that merits the knee jerk reaction of banning an entire class of firearms, of which there are in excess of 20 million in this country chambered in 5.56 NATO alone, and depriving 10s of millions of law abiding citizens of their right to peacefully exercise their 2nd amendment rights. No one may be talking about banning all guns, but progressives have an irrational fixation on the AR 15. It is less commonly used in murders than handguns, shotguns, knives, bats, or fists-- but getting rid of it would fix so much, and no one is safe when they're available for purchase. That's fear mongering.
The gun is so much fun to shoot. It's an engineering marvel, honestly. Though I'd trade one for a SIG 550 that Swiss citizens keep at home and get to buy after finishing their military service in a heartbeat.
Starker on 14/8/2022 at 00:38
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Since Columbine, 169 school children have died in school shootings.
In a lot of countries that number would be close to or 0. But yes, statistically mass shootings are just the very tip of the iceberg of the massive amount of gun violence, accidents and suicides in the US that only the most war-torn countries are comparable to.
Nicker on 14/8/2022 at 01:19
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When you consider the 10s of millions that have gone through public school in the nealy 25 years since, the statistical probability of being shot in school is practically nil.
But when you consider the hundreds of millions who attend school in countries without a gunz-fetish, then the fact that ANY CHILDREN die in their classroom, because irrational people won't even allow the tiniest bit of control over their gawwwwd-gibboon rahts!! then 169 is an astounding statistic. At least in the fucking civilized world.
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but progressives have an irrational fixation on the AR 15.
Because it is the weapon of choice for mass murderers in the USA. Holy shit.
Tocky on 14/8/2022 at 02:12
And there you have it. Because they are fun to shoot there is an acceptable number of children they are willing to sacrifice. A gun with no purpose but to kill and do so at high amount is fun to shoot so sorry kids. Gee that's not a very pro life stance to take is it?
I miss the days when guns had better purposes. There were no military weapons in the Sears catalogue because men did not play with guns back then. Oh there were those who liked to play soldier but actually being one tended to cure them of it.
Jason Moyer on 14/8/2022 at 02:31
The "there are more shootings in cities!!!" people crack me up. It's like the "there are more cases of covid in areas with 5G towers!" people. And then everyone who pointed out there were also more cases of covid in areas with McDonald's. All you're doing is measuring population density. Yes, there's more of everything in densely populated areas, congratulations.
