mxleader on 13/8/2022 at 02:29
Quote Posted by Starker
And nobody is talking about banning guns either whereas there is far more car control in the US than there is gun control. There are a ton of regulations to make driving cars safer, whereas you are allowed to legally sell guns that are dangerous to use, even going off while holstered: (
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-02-28/how-defective-guns-became-the-only-product-that-can-t-be-recalled)
If car manufacturers were selling cars that exploded and killed its users every now and then, you bet your ass there would be some government action against it.
Um, lots of politicians and lefty's are specifically wanting an all out ban on guns and the repeal of the 2nd amendment.
Nicker on 13/8/2022 at 03:57
No need to repeal it. Just respect the fact that it does not grant private citizens unlimited access to weapons.
Tocky on 13/8/2022 at 04:31
Quote Posted by mxleader
Um, lots of politicians and lefty's are specifically wanting an all out ban on guns and the repeal of the 2nd amendment.
That isn't true. That is the boogeyman the NRA and Fox News says exists to scare the right and it works as you have just exhibited. What the left wants is controls that work. Background checks, some sort of sanity test maybe, lower capacity so you get at least some chance of getting away, a ban on assault weapons which happened with the Brady bill and actually did cut down on mass shootings, things like that. Of course when anyone mentions common sense gun legislation the right convulses in conniptions of slippery slope! slippery slope! which also is another boogeyman. There are other things which could be done to cut down on gun violence but nothing will ever get done until gun owners, of which I am one, understand they are being manipulated with an unreasonable fear by the right. And hell, isn't fear the reason most folks own a gun in the first place? Aside from hunting, which I no longer do, having harm come to my family is my fear.
Cipheron on 13/8/2022 at 11:02
Quote Posted by Tocky
a ban on assault weapons which happened with the Brady bill and actually did cut down on mass shootings,
Actually the Brady Bill was the handgun one in 1993. The full title is "Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act"
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act)
.What the Brady Bill is associated with is this huge plummet in, specifically, hand gun killings, those were getting steadily worse every year up to and including the one where the Brady Act was passed, 1993, but did a sudden and pronounced u-turn as soon as background checks were required to get a hand gun.
Also note, that the Brady Act brought in a mandatory 5 day waiting period to get a hand gun, but this provision was later removed in favor of instant checks around 1998, and notice that's basically the exact time that handgun deaths stopped going down and later started to rise again.
Also keep in mind that the pro-gun "Firearm Owners Protection Act" of 1986, which hamstrung law enforcement from enforcing the 1968 gun laws, seems coincidentally to have come in right before handgun murders started to go absolutely apeshit. The law basically prevented the ATF from inspecting gun license holders, including gun shops, more than once every 12 months. So you could basically get away with running a dirty business selling handguns to gangs, knowing that if the feds had inspected you within 12 months they weren't even allowed to peek in to see what you were doing.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act)
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https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg/1280px-Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg.pngStarker on 13/8/2022 at 14:30
Quote Posted by mxleader
Um, lots of politicians and lefty's are specifically wanting an all out ban on guns and the repeal of the 2nd amendment.
And who exactly is wanting to specifically ban all guns? Quote them where they said that.
Tocky on 13/8/2022 at 16:39
Ah. You are correct. The assault weapons ban was in '94' and you can also see the gradual drop in "other guns" at that time on the graph. After it was lifted in 2004 it started goin up again. It's way up now but at least the starving gun manufacturers are making money hand over fist. Reckon that's why the propaganda blitz and scare tactics of DEY GONE TAKE MUH GUUUUUUUUNS is being waged at the expense of school children? Nah. Couldn't be.
RippedPhreak on 13/8/2022 at 17:00
You guys are foreigners right? So you don't really understand that all these handgun deaths are drug gangs killing each other. The average American who doesn't buy or sell drugs is not involved, and there is nothing we can do about it, since the Democrat mayors of these violent cities look the other way when it comes to drug gangs.
Since the majority of the shootings are concentrated in Democrat-run inner cities, the rest of us feel that the Democrats need to clean up their own house before they come to rural Americans and tell us to give up our hunting rifles. Nope, tell your own voter base to give up their handguns and drug businesses first.
Jason Moyer on 13/8/2022 at 17:36
Quote Posted by mxleader
People driving cars kill other people.
Ignoring the false equivalency, cars are probably the most regulated consumer good in this country. Seriously, how stupid do you have to be to even make that comparison.
I don't think anyone, even the most hardcore "get teh gunz off r streetz" people would be upset if guns were treated the same way we treat cars. We ban cars for being dangerous, we put VINs on everything, we require title/registration/insurance and training in order to pass a test to get a license. Cops drive around all day automatically scanning plates (seriously, the roof scanners they use now are kinda neat) and pulling up owner/operator information and matching it against a criminal database. There are rules of operation that can result in penalties up to and including losing your right to operate a vehicle.
So sure, let's treat guns as seriously as we treat cars, I'm for it.
Tocky on 13/8/2022 at 19:34
Quote Posted by RippedPhreak
You guys are foreigners right? So you don't really understand that all these handgun deaths are drug gangs killing each other. The average American who doesn't buy or sell drugs is not involved, and there is nothing we can do about it, since the Democrat mayors of these violent cities look the other way when it comes to drug gangs.
Since the majority of the shootings are concentrated in
Democrat-run inner cities, the rest of us feel that the Democrats need to clean up their own house before they come to rural Americans and tell us to give up our hunting rifles. Nope, tell your own voter base to give up their handguns and drug businesses first.
Seriously? I talk of Republican propaganda boogeymen and you post another? Sure you are prejudiced against those scary brown people in those scary cities but do you really think that is where all the gun violence is? Overall there are more gun deaths in rural areas than cities. Don't believe me. Look it up. The only percentage which is higher in cities is handgun deaths. By a lot right? No. Six percent.
Here is a graph-
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https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Lee-Dresang/publication/12019763/figure/fig2/AS:277565009874988@1443188063912/Rural-vs-urban-Washington-gun-deaths-by-gun-type-1995-1996.pngAnd you know it's not just Democrat cities. Ever hear of Dallas?
RippedPhreak on 13/8/2022 at 20:25
Absurd graph. I know Chicago alone had 3,561 shooting incidents in 2021, including 797 of them resulting in homicides. Places like Atlanta and Baltimore are similar. But the folks there have been brainwashed into Republican = Nazi KKK, so they just keep voting for Democrats who take all the money and stuff it into their own pockets instead of using it to fight crime.
Not sure where you're getting all these rural shootings, unless it's a lot of suicides, in which case people would probably find a way to kill themselves even if you banned guns. I haven't seen any stories of Cletus and Roscoe having shootouts in the cornfields, anyway.
But yeah it's pretty much all drug gangs doing this. You might as well hold all Mexicans responsible for the atrocities of the Jalisco cartel, it would be the same logic.
