Draxil on 23/5/2018 at 03:30
Quote Posted by heywood
You need to refresh your memory on the kind of person Adam Lanza was. Read this:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Developmental_and_mental_health_problems) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting#Developmental_and_mental_health_problems
Summary: history of developmental distorder since 3, diagnosed with Asperger's and OCD, suspected schizophrenia, cuts off contact with his own family, spending all of his time in a blacked out room that he won't let anybody into, not communicating with anybody except online, won't even talk to his mother except via email, not eating to the point of severe anorexia. He had also been overheard threatening to shoot up the same school 4 years earlier, which was reported to police but they didn't act on it. Now, if you think it's reasonable to trust somebody like that around firearms, I don't even know what to say.
The more fundamental point here is that even if Adam Lanza was the most normal person on Earth, his mother had a responsibility to safely store her firearms and ammunition.
If he didn't have access to guns, it's possible he would have found another way to kill, but it's somewhat unlikely considering how severely anti-social he was. He literally didn't go anywhere or talk to anyone. And the evidence found in his room and on his computer shows that he was obsessed with mass shootings. It was easy for him to go shoot up the school because his mother enabled it. Other means of killing would have been a lot harder for him, wouldn't have fulfilled his fantasy of being a mass shooter, and also wouldn't have killed so many people.
I appreciate the considered response. You're right, I had forgotten what kind of person Lanza was, and it was a serious and fatal mistake for his mother to leave unsecured weapons available to him, or even to cultivate an appreciation for firearms. You are also perfectly correct about her responsibility to safely store the weapons.
Both you and catbarf bring up points that are hard to oppose. Objections I have to the obligation to secure a weapon are easily answered, and hinge mainly on availability in case of need. Biometric safes or simple push-button combination safes are available, reliable, and accessible and allow access only to those granted access. Would your proposed securement requirement rely on inspection for enforcement (which I oppose), or just harsh punishment for infringement in cases of shootings (which I would fully support)?
I've mellowed with age, and now generally oppose the death penalty. If, though, a harsh penalty is a deterrent for failing to secure your firearms, would it not be reasonable to impose the death penalty on perpetrators of mass shootings? Most reasonable objections to cases involving the death penalty don't really apply to mass shootings, and there's little more heinous or deserving of execution. Perhaps promise of expedited and ignominious death would deter some of these sickos.
Starker on 7/6/2018 at 03:24
David Hogg was swatted in what the article describes as a prank, but really it is a crime with potentially deadly consequences to the victims:
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/05/florida-school-shooting-survivor-david-hogg-swatting-prank)
A hoax 911 call saying David Hogg was kidnapped sent a team of armed police officers to his house while he was in Washington DC
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Neither Hogg nor any family members were at their home when the Broward sheriff's office Swat team responded to the anonymous call shortly after 8.30am.
"The call was regarding someone in the home with a weapon," Gina Carter, a BSO spokesperson, told the Guardian. "We responded to the home and cleared the property. It was established that the call was a hoax and detectives are investigating to try to find out who made the call."
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In January, a "swatting" call allegedly placed by a California man led to a man in Wichita, Kansas being shot dead by local police.
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Hogg, 18, has become an outspoken advocate for gun law reform since the 14 February shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas high school in which 14 students and three teachers were killed. He has often found himself the target of abuse.
Last month a Florida police officer was suspended for a Facebook post in which he suggested Hogg should be run over at a protest against a supermarket chain that donated to a pro-National Rifle Association politician.
Starker on 12/6/2018 at 11:30
Quote Posted by jkcerda
We are not in Germany. How did being my unarmed work out for the Jews there?
Came across a video today that explores that very question and the idea that being better armed would have made a big difference:
[video=youtube;gfHXJRqq-qo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfHXJRqq-qo[/video]
jkcerda on 25/5/2020 at 23:45
Quote Posted by Starker
Came across a video today that explores that very question and the idea that being better armed would have made a big difference:
[video=youtube;gfHXJRqq-qo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfHXJRqq-qo[/video]
being armed made a hell of a difference to the Bundys.
demagogue on 26/5/2020 at 02:48
Is there any reason we're necroing this thread?
Well anyway, this is a gun I've been really liking recently while the topic is up.
[video=youtube;KzgoAH6e7A8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzgoAH6e7A8[/video]
Any of you have fire arms you've been interested in lately?
jkcerda on 26/5/2020 at 03:00
interested? yes. that one looks pretty good but I am not that much of a fan of SBRs, the feel of it just seems a bit too uncomfortable, I would LOVE to try one out , that might change my mind.
Tocky on 30/5/2020 at 04:27
If I don't have a use for a gun I'm not interested in it. That one looks pretty useless for anything but close quarters combat and I don't do that much around the house. I will admit a fondness for accuracy over long distance. Though I never hunt anymore it's still nice to know I could put the fear of God in those grape stealing squirrels if I had a mind to.
PigLick on 30/5/2020 at 06:02
Quote Posted by Tocky
close quarters combat and I don't do that much around the house.
not sure why but that gave me a good chuckle. :cool:
I mean yeah I have 2 teenagers at home during isolation, but I'm not sure I would go so far as to use a gun on them.
Starker on 30/5/2020 at 06:32
[video=youtube;ZuG9kUiRC_I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuG9kUiRC_I[/video]
demagogue on 30/5/2020 at 07:40
Good lord, why would you take one home with you?
Clearly the best use of gun technology is a highly accurate simulation to gun down faceless video game mobs gone aggro in the most efficient and satisfyingly acoustic and somatosensory way. Buduh-buduh-buduh-blam.
I love riding video game motorcycles too, but they are much too dangerous for humans to have around, with statistics to show for it, and have no business existing in real life. But even if I'm going to ride one in a video game, I want to ride a Triumph and not some ungainly Harley.
Same way I think about guns. I'd much prefer to pop off that SBR I posted a video of in a game than whatever granny crank gun you guys would tolerate. Realism matters yo.