jkcerda on 28/4/2018 at 22:10
Quote Posted by Starker
It's funny, I did grew up under totalitarian rule, and that's why it baffles me how people are so blind to recognise it when it's happening right under their noses and so eager to cry wolf when there isn't even a shadow of it. The child abuse law that allows the UK government to intervene in cases like this was put in place by a democratically elected parliament. It's not just the government arbitrarily going, "we'll kill this one child who's already dying." And the courts ruling against the parents is not the government gone mad with power either, it's the courts interpreting law as they should.
the UnPatriot act and NSA and warrantless spying is also being done under a "democratically" elected govt . those are against our constitution and yet there they are, hell Obama passed indefinite detention w/o trial into law and got away with it.
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Starker on 28/4/2018 at 22:24
As far as I understand, the spying was done without the public's knowledge. But yes, that's an example of real totalitarianism. As is the indefinite detention thing. And yet so many people seem okay with it.
Trance on 28/4/2018 at 22:30
Hey, as long as it's keeping those Muslims locked up in Guantanamo where they belong, there's no cause for concern, right?
Starker on 28/4/2018 at 22:42
I'm sure Draxil is already on his way to end this abuse of state power.
jkcerda on 28/4/2018 at 22:59
Quote Posted by Trance
Hey, as long as it's keeping those Muslims locked up in Guantanamo where they belong, there's no cause for concern, right?
Those there should be given their trial of let go .
Starker. The day America once again votes from the rooftops might just happen again n my lifetime
caffeinatedzombeh on 29/4/2018 at 21:04
Quote Posted by Draxil
third: If any judge in this country tried to do to my family what Mr. Justice Hayden has done to the Evans family, I, or someone in my family, would kill him. I'm very certain of that. It's a coldly comforting thought, and a nice touchstone--I know exactly what it would take for me to take up arms against the state. Is there anything the state could do to you that would make you take up arms against it?
fourth:
I love living in a country where I have the means at my disposal to make #3 a reality, and this entire episode has steeled my pro-gun position. The UK could only benefit from angry mobs gunning down black-robed-wig-wearing despots, methinks.
And that is why you need guns to protect yourselves, you have a country filled with people who think that killing solves anything and that murder can be right.
A continual refusal to understand anything at all about the UK whilst saying how terrible something that only exists in your head is doesn't really help make your point.
Guns are not especially difficult to get if you have a need for one, most people don't need them so don't have them. In your hypothetical people taking up arms against the government the army are still massively outnumbered even with only one gun per 60ish people.
jkcerda on 30/4/2018 at 17:27
Quote Posted by caffeinatedzombeh
And that is why you need guns to protect yourselves, you have a country filled with people who think that killing solves anything and that murder can be right.
A continual refusal to understand anything at all about the UK whilst saying how terrible something that only exists in your head is doesn't really help make your point.
Guns are not especially difficult to get if you have a need for one, most people don't need them so don't have them. In your hypothetical people taking up arms against the government the army are still massively outnumbered even with only one gun per 60ish people.
killing is last resort .
what you guys don't seemingly get is that we are completely different, you pretend we are like the U.K and are far from it.
Renzatic on 30/4/2018 at 18:50
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Renzatic on 30/4/2018 at 19:05
I AM SO ECLECTIC AND ZANY!
So anyway. Yeah. Guns. The problem with saying that violence is only intended as a last resort is that no one knows what'll mark the point where everyone has to take that last resort. Considering how generally high strung Libertarians tend to be, it could be anything from a forced mass roundup of semi-auto firearms, to a 25 cent local tax on candy bars.
A quarter more for my Kit-Kats? This is taxation! TAXATION IS THEFT! WE LIVE IN A FALLEN NATION, FORCED TO SACRIFICE OUR HARD EARNED MONEY AT THE POINT OF A GUN TO A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT THAT HAS MONOPOLIZED VIOLENCE! IMMA SHOOT UP CITY HALL!