Tomi on 1/3/2018 at 20:57
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SlyFoxx on 8/3/2018 at 04:26
Quote Posted by Renzatic
I'm not gonna say that the FBI and local police don't share some of the fault in this. Nor do I think this is a perfect excuse to write out the 2nd Amendment wholesale.
But I'm not going to say that it's solely the fault of law enforcement to act. The FBI receives roughly 1300 phone calls a day, most of them some random upstanding citizen reporting that some person, group, or other is going to shoot/blow up/sternly lecture a large group of people. Local police are in about the same boat, generally understaffed and overworked, only able to address what they consider real threats looming in the immediate future in a timely manner. Considering all the rumors, hearsay, and other bullshit that gets thrown their way on a daily basis, it's no real surprise that law enforcement, both local and federal, let something like this pass them by on occasion.
I think the real question that lies at the heart of everything is why is it that we've become such a massive, seathing ball of aimless, reactionary hatred over the last couple of decades.
Sorry so late.
Point taken but the local sheriff has acted more like a politician protecting his elected ass in response to the matter. Second...no armed BCSO officers actually entered the school during the shooting. So not only did they fail to act before hand, when bullets were still flying about they STILL did nothing. Again, I'm sorry if I don't want to give up my arms to a system that's so obviously flawed. (For the record I'm far from FL but the local cops where I live inspire as much confidence as this guy------------>
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catbarf on 11/3/2018 at 15:07
I don't really have a problem with raising the age on buying firearms, but I'll be surprised if putting a Constitutional right behind an age restriction holds up in court. I can't think of any other rights that aren't simply tied to the age of majority.
bjack on 11/3/2018 at 18:54
Funny how in the USA 18 year olds can enter into contracts and vote; making decisions that affect everyone, but they are not mature enough to drink alcohol, smoke pot, or use tobacco. If you are not mature enough to own and handle a gun by 21, then you should not be allowed to do anything else that requires adult level logic and emotional maturity.
As an old fart, I say raise the age of majority to 30, with exceptions based upon carefully designed and applied tests for maturity for those 18 to 29. The 16 year old self in me says I should fuck off, but he's just a punk... :joke:
The contradictions in US and state law are more numerous than my self inconsistencies. It has been posited that a 16 year old should be able to vote, but he/she too immature and inexperienced to drive with passengers, or at night? WTF! 1984 doubleplus ungood doublethink (something that cannot exist, because doublethink cannot be ungood, yet there you go...) :cheeky:
catbarf on 11/3/2018 at 21:51
Quote Posted by bjack
Funny how in the USA 18 year olds can enter into contracts and vote; making decisions that affect everyone, but they are not mature enough to drink alcohol, smoke pot, or use tobacco. If you are not mature enough to own and handle a gun by 21, then you should not be allowed to do anything else that requires adult level logic and emotional maturity.
As an old fart, I say raise the age of majority to 30, with exceptions based upon carefully designed and applied tests for maturity for those 18 to 29. The 16 year old self in me says I should fuck off, but he's just a punk... :joke:
The contradictions in US and state law are more numerous than my self inconsistencies. It has been posited that a 16 year old should be able to vote, but he/she too immature and inexperienced to drive with passengers, or at night? WTF! 1984 doubleplus ungood doublethink (something that cannot exist, because doublethink cannot be ungood, yet there you go...) :cheeky:
I was going to mention it in my post, then deleted it as I felt it might be veering off-topic- but yeah, we have some weird inconsistency when it comes to age of majority. I understand the rationale behind raising the drinking age to 21, and I've seen the stats that justified it, but it still baffles me that 18 is the age where you are legally considered a full-fledged citizen and adult
but wait you still can't do X, Y, and Z for another three years. I think we'd be better off if we picked a single age, declared that that's when an individual becomes an adult in all respects, and were done with it.
In this particular context, there's already a 20-year-old in Oregon (
http://abcnews.go.com/US/20-year-oregon-man-sues-dicks-sporting-goods/story?id=53554207) suing Dick's Sporting Goods over their new policy to not sell firearms to people under 21. At first I thought it was a case that would get dismissed immediately, but then I discovered that Oregon considers age over 18 a protected class (unlike the federal government where it's age 40+). So according to Oregon law, Dick's new policy constitutes age discrimination. I'll be interested to see where it goes.
Tony_Tarantula on 12/3/2018 at 14:33
I looked it up on open secrets how much the NRA spends. It's a bit over five million. A lot objectively speaking, but a rather trivial sum compared to the corporate and NGO money that gets thrown around.
I highly doubt that anyone is "afraid of the NRA". Nobody who Criticized the NRA gets subject to a coordinated attack from rich lobby groups the way say.... A politician who criticizes Israels Giza occupation gets instantly forced to backtrack.
The power behind the gun lobby is that its an emotional hot button issue for working class voters, no small number of whom are the types to regard a day at the range the way we regard a day playing video games.
That's why I don't weigh in much on this. As someone who is trained to a professional standard in the operation and standard practices for firearms, the amount of statements that I perceive as pure idiocy is off the charts. Most. Isn't even worth arguing with because its rooted emotionally in people who either fetishize or demonize weapons. Arguing facts with people who have their identity tied into a certain opinion is just going to result in them rationalizing why that's irrelevant, and I lack both the platform and the persuasion skills to make people's identity shift (read Scott Adam's book to see how that works(
I can write a bit more if people are interested. But I begin from a very different place and I argue that the entire framework of the discussion is deeply flawed and a result of imperialism.
jkcerda on 12/3/2018 at 15:50
sad? you are either an adult or you are not, it's called age discrimination in the U.S.
Starker on 12/3/2018 at 21:51
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
I looked it up on open secrets how much the NRA spends. It's a bit over five million. A lot objectively speaking, but a rather trivial sum compared to the corporate and NGO money that gets thrown around.
You think that's all that the NRA spends? They spend dozens of millions more outside of direct candidate contributions.