Tony_Tarantula on 29/7/2016 at 19:09
Quote Posted by belboz
Well kirk was being trained up as an officer else he wouldn't have been sitting in the captains chair during the kobi bollox test, where you have to rescue some ship while being blown to bits by some klingons. So he could be promoted up to whatever rank he got.
That's still a significant difference from the more recent films though.
I think that's one area where the Abrams film in particularly completely mucked it up. He's a one trick pony with his only plot being "Mary Sue Origin Story" and it showed in Star Trek, where we are seriously expected to believe that an academy student with no experience would ever command an entire starship...and then be allowed to keep it.
It actually works slightly better in Star Wars than it does in Star Trek because Rey is, as terrible a character as she was, a blank slate. None of the captains portrayed in Star Trek have ever been portrayed as the "Almighty Novice", and all off the ones so far were defined by having years of experience under their belt, and only succeeding because that experience gave them the wisdom to navigate the challenges the plot threw at them.
None of those dynamics from the TV shows work when the protagonist is Hollywood's millionth snot-nosed teenage prodigy. And it's a damn shame because the original Kirk was an interesting character, while Rey SHOULD have been a very compelling character but was given no room for development.
icemann on 31/7/2016 at 13:52
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
If you go into a Star Trek movie expecting action spectacle, you are why Star Trek sucks now.
First Contact was pretty action packed, and that was a good film. The films after that in the Next Gen era of the film series certainly lowered in quality soon after however.
Sulphur on 1/8/2016 at 11:04
That's beside the point, though. Trek has always had at least one eye on exploring different science fiction territory (even First Contact, though some of that territory was clichéd), and J.J. Abrams' stuff, while it's solid, fluffy entertainment, has dramatically missed the point of Trek. Here's hoping the new Trek (by DS9 and Hannibal writer Bryan Fuller) brings that back in.
Yeah, that's right. Bryan Fuller. Doing Star Trek. I want to squee so badly, but I shall compose myself for the moment.
dj_ivocha on 1/8/2016 at 12:17
Huh, so is he doing the next movie or a series?
Thirith on 1/8/2016 at 12:25
He's doing a new series: Star Trek Discovery, if I'm not mistaken. He'll be working with Nicholas Meyer of Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country fame.
Starker on 1/8/2016 at 12:36
Ooh... I've been dying for some space opera. There's been kind of a void ever since I finished the Imperial Radch series. What I'd really like is something more like Babylon 5, Farscape or even Lexx, but Star Trek will do nicely.
Slasher on 2/8/2016 at 06:40
It's a fun movie, though I felt it stretched the "Star Trek" name close to its breaking point. The dilemma of unity versus conflict was barely scratched on. It would've been nice if they explored how the Federation could deal with entities that reject its agenda wholesale, without compromising its own ideals in the process. At least we got a zero-g fistfight out of it.
We've lost NCC-1701, but the movie doesn't end with the crew in possession of a Bird of Prey. Instead of going back in time to rescue humpback whales, we'll get ourselves some orcas in the next film?
Also, where did Krall get all that help from? Certain events at the end led me to believe Krall only had a meager handful of survivors from the original crash left, yet he seems to have a veritable army by the time Kirk and crew show up. Was he supplementing his outfit with other marooned crews sympathetic to his cause? I think I missed something.
That part where they show the original series crew in their Undiscovered Country uniforms made me really :(:) at the same time.
gkkiller on 2/8/2016 at 08:35
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Certain events at the end led me to believe Krall only had a meager handful of survivors from the original crash left, yet he seems to have a veritable army by the time Kirk and crew show up. Was he supplementing his outfit with other marooned crews sympathetic to his cause? I think I missed something.icemann on 2/8/2016 at 17:03
My guess is they were a mix of his old crew and of all the ships he'd taken out since.
SubJeff on 5/8/2016 at 06:07
Agree with iceman. He had long enough to do it!
It was pretty good popcorn fun with some really great throwbacks to the original series.
One problem have is that these reboots all have the same plot; bad guy, turned bad by some perceived slight years ago, had grown strong with hate over years and years and finally unleashes special powers/tech to initially do a lot of damage before being defeated.
