dj_ivocha on 27/5/2009 at 10:51
Quote Posted by doctorfrog
Funny thing is, since I've decided to re-watch everything having to do with Star Trek, ever, I will eventually watch all those episodes, and probably enjoy a lot of them. So it all worked out in the end :)
That's what I'm doing right now. Currently on TOS S1E13. :D
doctorfrog on 27/5/2009 at 16:49
Quote Posted by Matthew
Including the animated series?
Hell yeah (if I can find it). Also those commercials Shatner did for crappy computers back in the 80's.
Matthew on 27/5/2009 at 17:21
If you're including the commercials, I insist that you include his cover of Common People.
Eshaktaar on 27/5/2009 at 17:47
And you mustn't miss Leonard Nimoy singing about Bilbo Baggins.
Dia on 28/5/2009 at 01:51
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
This is the sort of thing that you really shouldn't admit in public.
Don't care; I was getting tired of all the ST testosterone & Janeway was a welcome change.
:p
uncadonego on 30/5/2009 at 01:06
I think Kate pulled off her role pretty well, but at times she looked posed. However, at times she seemed natural and did quite well, she's better at emoting without words rather than delivering lines, opposite of James Spader (out of context I know). When Neelix finally admitted he was trying to trade for water, just the look on her face conveyed her sympathy. I liked Voyager a lot.
My son has seen the latest movie twice and thinks it's one of the best movies he's ever seen. I don't know if I'd agree because I haven't seen it yet, and he's sixteen.
Dia on 30/5/2009 at 01:22
It's good to know someone else liked Voyager. ;)
P.S. You can't always trust a 16 year old's taste in movies. But since I haven't seen it yet either I wouldn't know in this case.
Starrfall on 30/5/2009 at 03:09
DISAPPOINTED THAT THE GUY FROM HAROLD AND KUMAR DIDN'T DO AN "OH MY" :mad: THIS MOVIE SUCKS
doctorfrog on 30/5/2009 at 06:44
Quote Posted by Eshaktaar
And you mustn't miss Leonard Nimoy singing about Bilbo Baggins.
Oh, I haven't.
BILBO! BILBO! BILBO BAGGINS! THE GREATEST HOBBIT OF THEM ALL!
And, enlarging on uncadonago's comment, Voyager had a strong female producer on board (same one that also worked on TNG, but she had a bigger voice in Voy), and I do believe that Voyager was Star Trek For Women. I think this is part of why it's not generally 'liked' by the average (male) Trek watcher, but the show nevertheless garnered respectable numbers.
I'll also admit that Kate Mulgrew is a very good actress, and she imparts a lot of life to Janeway even though Janeway in general is a schizoid character, her principles shifting from episode to episode, depending on what the writers wanted from her.
Nevertheless, Voyager's stories are incredibly weak and seem to only try to repeat TNG's success rather than build upon it. The characters aren't terribly likable, you get a reliance on goofy particles and one-use technologies that are instantly forgotten in the next episode. It's not a bad show, but these lapses can be irritating.
The most positive thing that I can say about Voyager is that it sucked up all of Berman and Braga's attention, leaving the core of writers for DS9 (of which Ron Moore was one, I believe) almost completely unmolested. The result was a darker, more troubled Trek, actual multi-season arcs, wonderful character growth, and all the good things that the writers were struggling so hard to bring into TNG. Though I (and many others) panned DS9 when it first aired, some of Trek's best storytelling occurs here.
Nameless Voice on 30/5/2009 at 11:44
Also some of the worst Deus Ex Machina, though.
