nicked on 15/5/2009 at 12:48
I liked it. But then I know nothing about Star Trek whatsoever. Maybe thats a prerequisite...
JohnnyTheWolf on 16/5/2009 at 01:26
Like I've posted on IMDB, the main problem with the movie is that they basically tried to squeeze about forty years or so of Star Trek lore into a single two-hour movie. It ultimately felt artificial and unfocused, like some kind of big-budget renactment of the Star Trek's best moments. They did add some new stuff to the mix, but it wasn't always done convincingly. As the big villain Nero was pretty lame and unidimensional, and his motivations didn't make much sense.
Also, I know we're talking about J.J. Abrams, but honestly, he really did went overboard this time with the gazillions of pointless references to previous Star Trek films and other famous flicks (Star Wars, especially).
But I guess the new cast is solid enough. All they need to do now is to go where no Star Trek has gone before. Easier said than done, though...
thefonz on 16/5/2009 at 06:23
To be honest, the lens flare "problem" didnt bother me as much; it fit into the way Abrams filmed it rather nicely and although sure the movie has loopholes and isnt the most solid in the world - it did its job for me.
Only real complaint was a little too much humour and Chekov's accent started annoying the hell out of me.
It's likely I'll go see it again tonight anyway so I'll see how a second showing handles.
As an aside plug, my thoughts on Star Trek are at (
www.16bitgeek.com).
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JohnnyTheWolf on 17/5/2009 at 00:34
Still, Star Trek should be more than just a flashy action movie. The market is already saturated with those. I expected more from the man behind LOST.
Or could it be that J.J.'s just some kind of "hired gun" in all this? Because honestly, they could have put Michael Bay in the director's chair and the end result may not have been much different.
nicked on 17/5/2009 at 14:06
There wasn't quite enough product placement for it to be a Michael Bay film.
JohnnyTheWolf on 17/5/2009 at 16:19
Quote Posted by nicked
There wasn't quite enough product placement for it to be a Michael Bay film.
I believe it was already too much for Star Trek, which afaik is supposed to be pretty much ad-free for obvious reasons. The only exception I can think of is The Voyage Home, since it involves time travel to 21st century Earth.
I have yet to watch all series, but I don't suppose you get to see Jean-Luc Picard drinking Coke during a briefing or Data going to Subway.
TheivingME on 18/5/2009 at 03:20
Always been a bit of a trekkie. And I knew they were going to set it in an alternate universe to give them license, but maybe they went a bit to far.
[spoiler]Taking out vulcan in the alternate universe[/spoiler]
Which is like integral to the plot of half of all the other treks.
But more importantly I think in the long run for any future films/series
[spoiler] romulus destroyed in the REAL universe. kind of removes one of the main federation antagonists from the franchise. [/spoiler]
Aside from my sadness at the loss of two pillars of the overall star trek plot I thought the film was great!
Thirith on 18/5/2009 at 07:20
Since the Romulan Empire is just that, an Empire, I'd imagine that like any good sea-, erm, space-faring imperialist race they've got subjugated planets left, right and centre. There may only be 10'000 Vulcans left, but there are many, many more Romulans out there, I'd wager. And having an aggressively imperialist race without a homeworld might make for some interesting stories.
JohnnyTheWolf on 18/5/2009 at 12:29
Or not. Where were the Romulans anyway? Did they decide to just sit this one out?
You'd think Nero would have used his knowledge as a tactical advantage to warn the Romulan Empire or even become his new leader and start a full-blown war on the UPF, which would have been REALLY epic. But no, the guy had to waste 25 years of his life waiting for Spock to show up so he could get his ass kicked by Kirk and co.
And before someone mentioned it, yes, I know about the Rura Pente subplot, but it seems to have been cut from the movie and therefore it is probably not considered canon anymore. Besides, how in the world could Nero end up getting captured by the Klingons?
So yeah, I wouldn't have high hopes for the sequel's plot. Actually, something tells me that they'll just bring back Khan or another already popular villain.
Thirith on 18/5/2009 at 12:46
Quote Posted by Thirith
Since the Romulan Empire is just that, an
Empire, I'd imagine that like any good sea-, erm, space-faring imperialist race they've got subjugated planets left, right and centre. There may only be 10'000 Vulcans left, but there are many, many more Romulans out there, I'd wager. And having an aggressively imperialist race without a homeworld might make for some interesting stories.
Just realised: Romulus is gone in the non-rebooted universe, in which Vulcan still exists. In the reboot universe, Vulcan is gone and Romulus still exists. Which pretty much invalidates much of what I've written, at least with respect to future movies. Ah well.:joke:
