chris the cynic on 2/7/2003 at 21:06
This was talked about in the Icarus thread, but I didn't see the point in dredging up that tread to say something about JC's parents.
I don't see the parents as being employees as being a problem with respect to the theory that they were the biological parent's of Paul. Here is how I understand it, Paul may or may not be a natural child, lets just say he is.
Using their extensive database of genetics MJ12 found the couple they thought most likely to produce a nano-augmentable person. They did there best to get and keep these two together. They hired them among other things. They probably used whatever technology they could to make sure the child would take to nano-augmentation. The kid was born, he was Paul.
After this success they set about creating another one, rather than use a method as unreliable as birth they decided to clone Paul. They decided that another one wasn't good enough however and decided to make improvements on Paul. When they were finally successful there was JC, they implanted the embryo into Paul's mother, and later (around 9 months) JC was born.
Now Paul went into UNATCO (MJ12 might have had a hand in this, or they might have counted themselves lucky in having him chose to work at a place they controlled.) Either way they got to have the final test into whether their project worked, sure enough Paul was successfully augmented. While Paul was doing stuff at UNATCO he began to suspect the truth. His parents must have noticed a change in him, and perhaps even found things out about their employers.
They decided that JC should not go to UNATCO, and when their employers started to force it they objected, and were killed. This might not be why they were killed, MJ12 was having doubts about Paul and guessed that it was the parents fault. This is probably correct as Paul's reason for turning against MJ12 was his moral values, which were probably instilled by his parents.
Paul and JC were obviously suspicious of their origins, because JC says he and Paul suspected that they were engineered growing up. It is likely that it was there similarity (remember JC is a mostly exact clone of Paul) and does not reflect on whether or not Paul was augmented.
JC was sent off to that school, and later the game begins. Paul says he thinks that he doesn't share any genetics with their parents, but considering that he isn't certain (meaning that no tests compared their genetics) I don't think that is necessarily reflective of the truth.
The only problem I see with the continuity bible here is that the parents had to die after Paul joined UNATCO. Which would make the parents die when JC was a minimum of 11 years old.
Please tell me if you think this makes sense, or if you see something wrong.
Other things I think, the big clone tanks at Area 51, JC was probably started in one of these but MJ12 hadn't managed to figure out how to grow him completely in the tank so they had to implant him (still an embryo) in the mother.
The fact that the have full size clones in there now shows a big improvement in their technology.
If the Alex of Deus Ex 2 really is Alex Denton, they only call him/her Alex D now, than he/she is a different Alex than the one in the tank. (Remember Alex was off somewhere else during the events of game one.) And the one in the tank is a result of the new quick growth cloning process. The decided to keep the name Alex Denton figuring that they wouldn't need to kid so why mot have this genetic profile (an improvement on JC's) keep the name Alex. A female Alex does not interfere with the Alex-is-another-Denton-clone theory as the X chromosome could be duplicated and the Y removed.
Z on 3/7/2003 at 00:39
Good work there, an interesting theory. I don't see anything glaringly wrong with it (but I'm tired right now:erg:) but of course there isn't any way any theory could be proved wrong or right until we get more information (from DX2 maybe?)
Only thing that struck me was this:
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(Remember Alex was off somewhere else during the events of game one.)
Just curious - where did you hear this? I've tried to track down pretty much every DX2 preview/info there is, and have never seen anything to this effect. Could you elaborate?
Z
chris the cynic on 3/7/2003 at 01:19
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Originally posted by Z Good work there, an interesting theory. I don't see anything glaringly wrong with it (but I'm tired right now:erg:) but of course there isn't any way any theory could be proved wrong or right until we get more information (from DX2 maybe?)
Only thing that struck me was this:
Just curious - where did you hear this? I've tried to track down pretty much every DX2 preview/info there is, and have never seen anything to this effect. Could you elaborate?
Z Thank you, and yes I can, not right now though. I'll elaborate soon.
chris the cynic on 3/7/2003 at 20:33
I may have to take back what I said. The information is out there that Alex was five years old when Deus Ex took place, and the he/she was raised mostly in Chicago but I can't find the actual press release that said it, just things referencing it, so I don't know if it actually says that Alex was away from Area 51.
Still the thing in the tank was full-grown and would not need to be raised so I stand by my theory.
Z on 4/7/2003 at 13:41
I'm pretty sure he has read it. Also, while the Continuity Bible is usually extremely informative, the issue of the exact nature of the Denton's birth/creation is the main point in which the information in the CB clashes with what's in the game.
Z
chris the cynic on 4/7/2003 at 14:41
Indeed I have read the continuity bible. This I my attempt to figure out the truth of the Dentons' origins based on Dues Ex cannon, which includes only the game.
You might note that I did use information from the continuity bible when it didn't clash with what was presented in the game. For example I learned from the bible that JC was 11 at the time of Paul's graduation, and because their father was at Paul's graduation (this comes from the game) I said that his parents could not have died before JC was eleven (it says in the continuity bible that they did.)
I wrote this up because for one I'm analytical so I had already thought it out, and second people were complaining about contradictions that I didn't see as such. I don't see the parents being employees as a contradiction to the fact that they loved their children even if one was a clone, I don't see there being parents as being a contradiction to JC being created in Area 51, you know stuff like that.
blackwaffle on 24/7/2004 at 00:32
alex denton can be found in the first game. right before you go into to kill bob page theres a large explosion and you are trapped in a room with 4 containers. each one has a guy in it. Nick Pausback, Wade Walker, and Alex Denton. then you go padt some aliens and kill bob page.
blackwaffle on 24/7/2004 at 22:57
1. ok- past the genetically altered monkeys
2. I was just trying to give a refrence point
3. hmm... I didnt know that
