Tony_Tarantula on 20/8/2019 at 01:48
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You know I have to commend you guys for giving Tony the time of day. I used to think TTLG would be better off with the likes of him banned, but to be honest you're probably preventing a mass shooting by keeping him busy. Keep up the good work.
You're truly insane. I have more to live for than you ever will. Unlike you (and I know you don't, because if you did you would be capable of understanding my mindset) I actually have loved ones who I care for. I also have a steady job (at a company most yuppies would kill to work at), get laid whenever I want, don't own guns, member of a pacificist religion, and am not on any psychiatric medications. Even if I wasn't extreme about the NAP (Non-aggression principal) in my personal ethics i'm very, very, far away from the profile.
Besides which that's kind of an ironic post given that your own profile lists your interests as "hating things in general" and you have repeatedly demonstrated (admitted a few times if I remember correctly) that you have massive issues with anger outbursts you can't control. Are you sure you aren't projecting just a wee bit here?
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Bahaha this guy actually thinks there's some contigent of the far left that wants align itself with the state? Does he even know what we actually stand for? If anything, our extreme fringe wants to team up with working class republicans and lead a populist uprising against the state.
Dunno. They seem to have quite the admiration for people like Robert Mueller, Eric Clapper, John McCain, etc. these days. I get the impression more that the far left thinks there's some elements of the state that are on their side and that they can use those elements to strong-arm their ideals onto that portion of the population that is unwilling to go along.
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Actual reason I came to post.
ANTIFA issued a threat to burn down the venue where Tim Pool is attempting to host an "across the aisle" panel. They also took over the venue's Twitter account and are attempting to ransom it back.
[video=youtube;1NN7Yk6qWjY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NN7Yk6qWjY[/video]
They also got clowned by the Proud Boys in Portland. The Proud Boys understand Alinky's principles better than the left do at this point: by hosting a small event where they showed up, quickly marched around with their flags, and then left as soon as possible they successfully provoked ANTIFA into running around Portland beating the shit out of random people in town who had nothing to do with the event.
What I'm referring to from Alinksy, specifically his 13 rules:
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1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources - money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They'll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They're doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don't become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
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. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you're caught without a solution to the problem.
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.
Here's another thing.
Now that it's a few months later, do my predictions that we were going to see more politically-motivated acts of violence seem wrong? They seem to have been borne out and I stand by my assessment that it's only going to escalate until we have mass civil violence and my advice for US residents is if you can't leave the country (which I'm currently working towards) is to relocate somewhere that you are either in or can easily reach a rural area where you have a support network.
Keep in mind that prediction does not take into account that the US economy is about to crash hard. I've been poking out some feelers around my own professional network and the most significant thing I'm hearing from people who work in the manufacturing supplier industry (the people who make the things, who make the things that make your things....so they're a leading indicator) is that demand is crashing massively for their products. The crash has already begun and it just hasn't hit the retail economy yet.
If you combine this polarized an environment with an economic crash is that going to make it better or is it going to exponentially worse beyond the trend that's already in play? Hypothetical question of course. The answer is obvious.
Sulphur on 20/8/2019 at 15:05
Is there anything more cringeworthy than using your dick as a bungee cord for your insecurities when someone questions your credibility as a sentient being? Read the rest of Tony's post to find out!
Tony_Tarantula on 21/8/2019 at 23:52
That theatre event MAY escalate.
They're still planning on having the after-party nearby and showing up, and I have learned that Bikers for Trump are planning on showing up in force to try to form a human wall to block out ANTIFA after they were threatening to burn the venue down.
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Is there anything more cringeworthy than using your dick as a bungee cord for your insecurities when someone questions your credibility as a sentient being? Read the rest of Tony's post to find out!
Stop being a garbage human being. "Questioning one's credibility" is not what happened and you damn well know it. What happened is that Dethtoll insinuated I want to perform a mass shooting.
But apparently that's cool in your book. I'm starting to think you're the kind of person that supports bullying which makes you no different from incel gamergaters.
What actually happened is that you now know you were WRONG when saying I was crazy for forecasting we would have more incidents of politically motivated violence, so you're attempting to protect your ego by lashing out with irrelevant ad-hominems.
Renzatic on 22/8/2019 at 00:07
You know, Tony, I think you spend all your time reading reports like (
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1162833952190582785) this, where someone breathlessly details those ANTIFA thugs attacking innocent protestors with a hammer...
...while ignoring reports like (
https://twitter.com/BelowStudent/status/1162919216489648130) this, which shows a longer version of that shot, and we see that a bunch of white supremacists riding a short bus start swinging a hammer at people gathered around the door, only for them to get said hammer taken from them, and swung back at their heads for their efforts.
Notice how Mr. Ngo only showed the latter half of that video. That's what you cool kids call "building a narrative", isn't it?
Once again, I feel the need to remind people that those who run around screaming about how they know "The Real Truth", who denounce the sway "Fake News" and "propaganda" has on "normal people" are usually the most easily manipulated by fake news and propaganda.
ANTIFA are a bunch of shitheels. Of that I have no doubt. But they're far from being the boogymen people like you fear them to be. They're an overhyped excuse hardline conservatives use to deflect from the fact there are a bunch of alt-right fuckhead white nationalist types are running around shouting the same slogans they are, quoting them on social media.
"...LOOK AT WHAT ANTIFA DID TODAY! OH MY GOD, IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!"
It's much the same reason why a lot of these Trump conservatives love Israel so much. They don't give one fuck or another about Jewish people, but they do appreciate that their military backs us up when we're in the Middle East, and, hey, bonus, it gives them the chance to use the antisemitism card for a change.
Sulphur on 22/8/2019 at 04:06
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Stop being a garbage human being. "Questioning one's credibility" is not what happened and you damn well know it. What happened is that Dethtoll insinuated I want to perform a mass shooting.
But apparently that's cool in your book. I'm starting to think you're the kind of person that supports bullying which makes you no different from incel gamergaters.
What actually happened is that you now know you were WRONG when saying I was crazy for forecasting we would have more incidents of politically motivated violence, so you're attempting to protect your ego by lashing out with irrelevant ad-hominems.
I don't know how you manage to do quite so much hand-flailing and projecting, but it's amusing to see you foaming at clouds in the sky. Do continue, it's vastly entertaining.
Tony_Tarantula on 26/8/2019 at 03:16
Sulphur, you've got it exactly backwards.
It isn't me trying to address my own insecurities.
Dethtoll chose to hit me with a very, very, low blow so I decided to react back by poking at one of his own insecurities. He's the kind of person who has a huge "secret king" complex where he believes he is superior to everyone else, and though the real world gives them the opposite feedback. Everyone else is stupid, but this kind of person is wiser, smarter , more moral and superior to everyone else. One day, the world will recognise this and they will be justly rewarded.
I'm well aware that he regards me as being fundamentally beneath him, and part of what makes him angry ( one example of what I will say: comments about things like me having been a military officer) is that I'm able to apparently be successful in areas of my life where he believes that nobody who is as far beneath him as I am should be able to, let alone outperform his own results.
Admittedly it's kind of a nasty play on my part but in my defense it doesn't quite rise to the level of "let's accuse this guy of being a mass shooter!" levels of fucked up.
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I don't know how you manage to do quite so much hand-flailing and projecting, but it's amusing to see you foaming at clouds in the sky. Do continue, it's vastly entertaining.
If that's all you have to say, then I will assume you have no meaningful response to that. I repeat my statement: You most likely know very well that dethtoll was calling me a mass shooter and you're trying to excuse the behavior by claiming that he was just "questioning credibility". The only "projecting" I'm doing is observing that you can't possibly be so stupid as to not realize that. Or can you?
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...while ignoring reports like this, which shows a longer version of that shot, and we see that a bunch of white supremacists riding a short bus start swinging a hammer at people gathered around the door, only for them to get said hammer taken from them, and swung back at their heads for their efforts.
Read the comments on the post you linked. Your own video shows ANTIFA trying to bash their way into a bus.
It also wasn't the attack I was referring to. ANTIFA started bashing bystanders who were just walking through the area at the wrong time.
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Once again, I feel the need to remind people that those who run around screaming about how they know "The Real Truth", who denounce the sway "Fake News" and "propaganda" has on "normal people" are usually the most easily manipulated by fake news and propaganda.
The bet I made to you where we test out your belief that the left is less violent still stands. It's telling that you do not choose to put your money where your mouth is.
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ANTIFA are a bunch of shitheels. Of that I have no doubt. But they're far from being the boogymen people like you fear them to be. They're an overhyped excuse hardline conservatives use to deflect from the fact there are a bunch of alt-right fuckhead white nationalist types are running around shouting the same slogans they are, quoting them on social media.
Speaking of "projection".
Like I've said MANY times, it's not them in their current state we need to worry about. Again as I have said MANY times before, the left commits violence in far greater volume than the right but they're also far less lethal than the right.
I'm worried about the TREND, not the state Your own statement is evidence of what I'm talking about where you claim that ANTIFA's actions result in a sequence of events that leads to further escalation. The alt right's nutjobs also lead to further escalation (e.g. El Paso -> Dayton).
Speaking of..
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there are a bunch of alt-right fuckhead white nationalist types are running around shouting the same slogans they are, quoting them on social media.
I think this statement doesn't reflect well on your understanding of the situation.
They're not doing that because all major social media sites have banned white nationalism. It's right there in the TOS should you choose to look. Wherever they're doing it isn't social media.
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It's much the same reason why a lot of these Trump conservatives love Israel so much. They don't give one fuck or another about Jewish people, but they do appreciate that their military backs us up when we're in the Middle East, and, hey, bonus, it gives them the chance to use the antisemitism card for a change.
Not really. With enough exposure to evangelicals one learns that it's from a religious/cultural cause called Christian Zionism where evangelicals believe modern day Christians owe their unquestioning allegiance to the state of Israel. It's pervasive among American Protestants that's difficult to comprehend until you interact with a significant number of them: (
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism)
They literally believe that returning the Jews to the Holy Land (which requires the state of Israel to expand its borders, "conveniently" for the Neocons) will fulfill a biblical prophecy that is necessary for Jesus's second coming.
Renzatic on 26/8/2019 at 05:27
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
The bet I made to you where we test out your belief that the left is less violent still stands. It's telling that you do not choose to put your money where your mouth is.
How many people have ANTIFA killed thus far?
Zero.
What have ANTIFA done?
Lots of property damage. Mostly being a bunch of stupid pains in the asses, because it gives people like you excuse to scream BUT THE OTHER SIDE DOES IT TOO!
Now let's look at the flipside of this equation.
How many people have died at the hands of White Nationalist Extremists?
Well, we saw all those people killed in Gilroy and El Paso, and that was just over the last couple of months. That's 26 dead, and considerably more injured just from those two instances alone. Isolated incidents, such as a bunch of skinheads curbstomping some Jewish person they caught walking down a back alley somewhere, have risen by 25% since 2017.
So tell me again that these two situations are equatable.
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Read the comments on the post you linked. Your own video shows ANTIFA trying to bash their way into a bus.
I noticed that you never once drew attention to the fact that Ngo grossly misrepresented the situation.
There were a bunch of people who looked like they were heckling the honest to god white supremacist fascist types on the bus, but they weren't the first to start swinging. You saw that door open, and you saw that guy start trying to hit people with that hammer. You saw how Ngo only showed the last few seconds of that altercation, framing it as a bunch of ANTIFA crazies.
Yet you still make excuses for it.
Why do you defend white supremacists? Do you really hate yourself that bad, Tony?
Sulphur on 26/8/2019 at 06:00
Hey Tony, I completely sympathise. If I were born with a pathological lack of enough brain cells to rub together, I'd have to resort to arguments scaffolded with my ego too.
Having said that, I'm not in the same boat, so you'll have to find another audience for your Dunning-Kruger-addled pop psychology/conspiratorial partisan blather.
Renzatic on 26/8/2019 at 06:20
By saying you're projecting, Sulp, I'm projecting my tendency to project upon you, accusing you of the very projection I'm projecting myself.
Renzatic on 26/8/2019 at 06:39
But, you know. I huff gas.
