Starker on 25/8/2018 at 19:31
The way I see it, there is really no equivalence between the two extremes, as they have been put here in this thread. When you have Nazis marching on one side and people protesting them on the other side, these are not two sides of the same coin, not by a long shot.
The same with MRAs. They are fighting for the old ways, to put women back in their place. It's a reactionary antifeminist movement above all else.
This is not to say that there aren't issues concerning men, but men demanding "their rights" in this context is like the child complaining on Mother's Day that there isn't a Children's Day, not realising that every other day is Children's Day.
Renzatic on 25/8/2018 at 19:48
Quote Posted by Starker
The way I see it, there is really no equivalence between the two extremes, as they have been put here in this thread. When you have Nazis marching on one side and people protesting them on the other side, these are not two sides of the same coin, not by a long shot.
I'm actually something of a believer in the horseshoe theory, that diametrically opposed ideologies begin to resemble each other in actions and policy the farther they drift towards their extremes. It doesn't matter if you're whisked away in the dead of night by the stazi for subversive thoughts against the state, or dragged from your home by church militants for heresy, the end result is about the same.
Though this theory doesn't quite apply to libertarian leaning extremes, which don't have much in common with each other at all.
Starker on 25/8/2018 at 20:05
The way the dichotomy is laid out is implying that opposing Nazis is just as extreme, which it is not. They are not equal, with "fine people on both sides".
A counterprotest against Nazis is not two extremist groups clashing with each other. There may be some extreme people in that counterprotest, but it's not extremist in the same way Nazi ideology is extremist.
Nameless Voice on 25/8/2018 at 21:38
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I'm actually something of a believer in the horseshoe theory, that diametrically opposed ideologies begin to resemble each other in actions and policy the farther they drift towards their extremes.
Yup. The far right and far left often agree on a lot of things, for different reasons.
A prime example of that would be Brexit in the UK. The right are for it because they hate immigration and freedom of movement, and people like Corbyn are for it because they hate globalisation (or whatever you'd call the smaller-scale version that only covers a continent.)
Tocky on 26/8/2018 at 04:15
Quote Posted by Starker
The way the dichotomy is laid out is implying that opposing Nazis is just as extreme, which it is not. They are not equal, with "fine people on both sides".
A counterprotest against Nazis is not two extremist groups clashing with each other. There may be some extreme people in that counterprotest, but it's not extremist in the same way Nazi ideology is extremist.
I got to go with this. There may be those in Antifa who stand up to violence with violence and some who are dicks and do it first but overall the Nazis are the real dicks. It's sort of in the charter.
Renzatic on 26/8/2018 at 04:45
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I see the middle (of far left and far right) as a force all of it's own that says "I don't agree with either of you. Your both wrong."
In practice, the middle of the spectrum isn't a happy medium, so much as an ideology that culls from both the left and the right. Strange as it may seem, there is such a thing as centrist extremists. They called themselves Fascists, and their beliefs could be easily described as the worst of everything.
Starker on 26/8/2018 at 07:10
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I got to go with this. There may be those in Antifa who stand up to violence with violence and some who are dicks and do it first but overall the Nazis are the real dicks. It's sort of in the charter.
Well, Antifa are extremists, not doubt about this, even if they aren't on the level of Nazis, but my point is more that there are way, way more people who stand against Nazism who are not Antifa. Pointing to Antifa violence in this conflict is basically nutpicking the crazies. Antifa may show up to those counterprotests, but they aren't the main force behind those counterprotests. Meanwhile, there is very little doubt what the Unite the Right and alt right in general is all about: (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcoYKuoiUrY&feature=youtu.be&t=26m13s)
I think it's very easy to look at this and say, "See, this is leftists suppressing the right", but it's not "the right" that the "leftists" are up in arms about. It's not "free speech" that they are protesting. They are there to protest white supremacists and their buddies. It wasn't "free speech" that drew tens of thousands of counterprotestors to the Boston free speech rally of 2017, it was Charlottesville and Nazis proudly marching and chanting slogans out in the open just the week before.
Starker on 26/8/2018 at 19:54
The way it looks to me, they were not trying to shut down one specific person (who was not even speaking at the time, it was the woman's turn), they were just wanting to get their message heard on TV. Also, does this really have all that much to do with left vs right? Or is it a matter of students vs the government trying to take something away from the students? And it's not like student protestors are known for behaving, left or right.
Here's the incident in question, I assume:
[video=youtube;ND290z2kr2o]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND290z2kr2o[/video]
Renzatic on 26/8/2018 at 20:55
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jacksonville-police-report-multiple-fatalities-video-game-tournament-n903996) Mass shooting at Madden 19 tournament.
Okay. Here goes. First, someone will blame the availability of guns, because the guns shot the people. Eventually, this will be deflected by blaming everything else. Videogames will likely be the most likely culprit this go-round. It may also be music, or the fallen standards of our society. Feminism is probably to blame, because cuckism bottles up our natural need to be alpha males, and eventually all that bound energy causes someone to snap. Sooner or later, someone will eventually blame the parents, because it's always the parents. Kid wasn't raised right. Then it'll return to the gun argument. At this point, some dipshit will probably post their collection of AR-15s right into the middle of the discussion as protest. This is usually followed by someone bringing up all the shootings in Chicago, and HOW THE MEDIA NEVER REPORTS ON THAT! This usually marks the point where the discussion starts dying. Five people will offer up thoughts and prayers, five more people will point out that thoughts and prayers do nothing, and hey, see you all again in a couple of months.
Trance on 26/8/2018 at 21:08
And this new one only 5 miles from my house. How exciting.
