Yandros on 30/10/2007 at 17:25

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Hey, since Al Gore created the internet, this means he created global warming too! What a sly dog - create something and then win a Nobel prize trying to convince the world to help undo your mistake... :nono: ;)

phide on 30/10/2007 at 18:24

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Well, it seems as if there are quite a few posts previously that are kind of hitting the same points, going back and forth a bit, but I think I want to focus on this one:

I would say that fuddling about with the cvars inevitably introduces the capability for things to 'break'. I've always been a fan of John's engines, particularly Tech 4, and I like finding out just what sort of bizarre things I can do to cause them to crash (as they tend not to crash as easily as others). To do that, I kind of have to break out of the box and basically feed cvars ridiculous values. Had id restricted the values more than they did, I'd probably have a more difficult time getting it to crack and splinter. But, hey, that's not id's fault -- if I do stupid things with the cvars, I know to expect that stupid, unintended things might happen. If I set r_customHeight to 388100.3, I'm just begging for it.

It's really the same sort of situation you guys have, or will have, here. If you leave the cvars open, you're going to have people jamming stupid values in, even if they think they're okay or "safe". With id/Activision, this could be a support liability. Surely there's some cvar I could set that would cause Doom to stop working entirely. If called Activision about it, they'd probably tell me not to do that again, perhaps calling me a "very bad man" for doing so the first time. Now, the beauty of the Dark Mod is that there doesn't need to be any real end-user support line. The users downloading are going to be pretty much on their own save for users offering help in the forum. I think that makes a fairly compelling case for leaving TDM pretty much wide open. There isn't really any liability there: You break it, you buy it, so to speak.

In any case, I think there are good reasons to leave it open, and good reasons to keep it closed, so I totally get where you're coming from. If anyone's keeping track, my personal preference is that it be kept fairly open. If someone happens to totally blow a mission because they fiddled with the run speed, they'll probably only need to wipe their CFG and have the game build a new, clean one with default values. FM authors need only be concerned with satisfying users who stick with the default values, and they can demand that in the readme (or whatever). I'd say it's no big deal.

BrokenArts on 30/10/2007 at 19:19

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Ohhhh I beg to differ, haven't you heard?

(http://modetwo.net/users/brokenarts/SNL.wmv) Al Gore I couldn't resist. :p

jay pettitt on 31/10/2007 at 00:19

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Quoted for great truth. ;)

agrash on 7/11/2007 at 19:44

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Wow, i just saw that new trailer about blackhaert manor
it looked very good! i wonder why those guards are guarding a pagan manor (?) or perhaps a secret pagan way to a 'human' manor, anyway the point is that it looked very good :D

I also liked those technical demo's with the rope climbing. I like the arrow physics with the boxes & that arrow that was shot on top of the roof which you can climb on :thumb:


still a year to go, but i'll be fine if we get updates like that once in a while