Muzman on 19/12/2007 at 16:55
Might as well say I really like that trailer. I hope the movie is the way it looks; joker is nuts, makes life difficult for everyone and batman has to stop him. That sort of focused plot would be potentially rather refreshing.
Ledger is doing a heck of a job by the looks of that. I liked Nicholson's portrayl alright, but I've always thought he was too stiff and nuggety. I swear he turns his head less than batman with the suit on. The part needs that ropey, theatrical physicality which Heath should be more able to do, so here's hoping.
Sypha Nadon on 19/12/2007 at 17:56
I liked "Batman Begins." There were a lot of things about it I could have done without, but I think it holds up very well. I thought it was pretty funny also, which is odd because in some aspects it tries to come off as a very sober, serious film. I just wish the Scarecrow had gotten more face time, as he's always been my favorite Batman villian.
Speaking of villians, when the hell are the Mad Hatter and Scarface going to get their shot? (Though to be honest, the only portrayal of the Mad Hatter I've ever found to be satisfying was the one from the animated series).
I'm not sure about Ledger as the Joker. He just doesn't look thin/gaunt enough. Should have gone more for the look of the Joker in, say, "Death in the Family." Or maybe "Arkham Asylum."
My only real problem with Nolan is that I think he tries to make Batman too realistic, when in fact the comics have almost always had a weird, at times almost surreal bent. Some of the very earliest Batman comics, for example, had Batman battling vampires and going to alternate dimensions, and there was a time during the 1950's in which there were many Batman issues dealing with aliens, monsters, weird transformations, and so on (the "camp" period occured in the following decade). I think it was either during the 70's or 80's when a more gritty, realistic tone began to pervade the Batman mythos ("Arkham Asylum" being a rare exception). I'm not the biggest fan of the Burton films but they did kind of capture some of the grotesque weirdness of Batman (whereas the other films just tried to provide an updated emulation of the old 60's TV show).
fett on 19/12/2007 at 19:12
Sypha - you're the first person I've seen mention that, and I always felt the Burton films - for all their faults - captured that slightly surreal/macabre slant that Batman had in the very early comics. I especially thought it was the only thing he got right in that horrible horrible third movie with Val Kilmer. The scenes in Two-Face's lair, and the Riddler scenes kind of had that look and vibe, but it dominated the characters and overall look too much.
jtr7 on 19/12/2007 at 20:33
\o/
Laser Eyes on 19/12/2007 at 23:17
Can someone explain how Batman is any more than just a wealthy vigilante?
jtr7 on 19/12/2007 at 23:22
He's psychologically damaged, and extraordinarily determined. His determination allows him to survive that which would kill most men.
fett on 20/12/2007 at 03:42
Quote Posted by Laser Eyes
Can someone explain how Batman is any more than just a wealthy vigilante?
That's the entire fucking point.
Tonamel on 20/12/2007 at 19:41
Quote Posted by Muzman
Ledger is doing a heck of a job by the looks of that.... The part needs that ropey, theatrical physicality which Heath should be more able to do, so here's hoping.
It's a little hard to tell right now, since all you see in the trailer is the dramatic stuff. I kind of want to
see him laugh, not just hear it. "Why so serious" indeed...
Except for the short clip where he fires the bazooka, and freaks out from the recoil.
That was total Joker, and raises my hopes more than any other bit in the trailer.
van HellSing on 20/12/2007 at 19:59
After irreversibly wasting approximately 134 minutes of my life to watch the absolute misery that is Batman Begins, I can't even be assed to watch the trailer for this one.
I AM BATMAN :mad:
And yes, I thought Forever and Batman & Robin were better than Begins.
