Stitch on 19/12/2007 at 02:00
Quote Posted by Morte
Stitch is usually not as wildly off base with his disses.
Well, I pretty much covered all my batbeefs in the thread Scots linked to, and I still stand by them. I don't really think realistic takes on superheroes work real well, as they tend to shine a spotlight on the absurdities inherent in the genre. Having said that, I didn't hate Batman Begins, I just recognize it as the mixed bag it is.
Hey, it's the fourth best movie with the word "Batman" in its title.
Scots Taffer on 19/12/2007 at 02:05
I totally accept your grumblings from a movie/directing perspective on Begins, that's fine, but you're still way off on Nolan not understanding/getting Batman as this has been quite easily the most widely appreciated Batman representation having seen varied reactions from comic book afficiandos and movie geeks to general cinemagoers.
Also, apart from the mere possibility you just implied Batman & Robin or Batman Forever ranks above Batman Begins meaning you are absolutely batshit insane (see what I did there), the other fact of the matter is that Batman ain't a fucking superhero, buddy!
jtr7 on 19/12/2007 at 02:09
Muy guano loco!
Stitch on 19/12/2007 at 02:43
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
Also, apart from the mere possibility you just implied Batman & Robin or Batman Forever ranks above Batman Begins meaning you are absolutely
batshit insane (see what I did there),
Hey, don't go apeshit on me because you forgot about Adam West :cool:
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
the other fact of the matter is that Batman ain't a fucking superhero, buddy!
A common battle cry among nerds the world over! Still wrong, though.
fett on 19/12/2007 at 02:51
BUT BATMAN'S NOT A - wate. Scots beat me to it.
Stitch on 19/12/2007 at 03:05
Batman and his pantheon of villains fulfill every rule of the superhero genre to the letter. The fact that he has no superpowers is irrelevant, especially as common superhero definitions don't list them as a prerequisite.
And anyway, why does it matter? What purpose does it serve to place Batman in a different category than Superman?
Shug on 19/12/2007 at 03:22
because batman is only human :(
Muzman on 19/12/2007 at 03:27
Self serving nerd differentiation purposes is what it serves of course.
I guess, historically speaking, he is kinda in between your superhero proper and "costumed detective/adventurer" types like The Spirit, The Phantom, The Green Hornet etc, but for all intents and purposes he is a superhero (he routinely does super things and uses fanciful super-tech).
Scots Taffer on 19/12/2007 at 03:31
The difference is that Batman's pathos is entirely psychological and self-imposed and his ability to fight crime is often limited by what can be achieved in a real world.
To contrast, Supes and X-Men are "born with it", Spidey and The Hulk accidentally "got it"; they all choose to use their "powers" for good, mostly. They have their powers at their disposal, what does Batman have?
Batman has no superpower per se, but he is physically resilient, has a fuckload of cash and therefore is influential. So, by that token he is a simple human "hero", not a super hero or mutant hero or alien hero, choosing to use his version of power to do good. That's why a real-world setting for Batman is totally appropriate, in my opinion, speaking as a mother non-comic-book-fan.
Stitch on 19/12/2007 at 03:38
Batman existed long before The Dark Knight Returns, dude.
Anyway, he still dresses up in tights and fights criminals with names like Mr. Freeze and Two Face, and writers have never been afraid to invent a new supergadget whenever reality gets in his way.
