thefonz on 6/8/2008 at 17:31
Actually i have seen Begins god knows how many times, and will be seeing TDK for the 2nd time this weekend.
Clayface! Claaaaaaayface!!
Bathcat on 7/8/2008 at 03:58
Quote Posted by Morte
"Why so serious" in particular felt like it it didn't flow naturally from knife in the mouth to slumping to the floor, because they had to cut as much as humanly possible to get the movie past the censors.
lol cut am i rite
My first thought on seeing Dent's face was "mmm, barbequed chicken"
Patrick Leahy stole the show, of course. Oscar, oscar! WE'RE NOT INTIMIDATED BY YOUR THUGS
Fafhrd on 7/8/2008 at 05:08
Quote Posted by Stitch
I'd suggest watching either of Nolan's Batman films before predicting villains for film three.
Mad Hatter could probably be made to work in the films' universe. Have Tetch branch out from the Volunteer Batmen (or some other civic vigilante group that was inspired by Batman) and use his mind control tech to basically lobotomise criminals (and people that he perceives as criminals, and eventually everyone in Gotham, because damn it WHY WON'T YOU PEOPLE JUST BEHAVE?!), which would extend nicely from the abuse of technology theme set up with the cell phone sonar network in this film (hell, only the hub for the network was destroyed, the infrastructure that made it work could still be in place, and play into the Hatter's final plan), as well as the degree to which Batman himself needs to let the people of Gotham make their own choices.
The Lewis Carroll obsession would probably have to be downplayed, but his sense of how 'proper' people should behave could stem from Victoriana, and be enough to get the 'Mad Hatter' nickname.
Scots Taffer on 7/8/2008 at 05:37
I like the cut of your jib, sir.
p.s. seeing it for the second time tonight! :D
nicked on 7/8/2008 at 20:32
I don't know if anyone's mentioned it, but villain for film 3 could be Black Mask. He seems to fit quite well into Nolan's universe - he's not too bizarre, just psychologically unhinged (and with a black mask scorched to his face), and a real mean piece of work.
Gingerbread Man on 8/8/2008 at 00:09
I miss the days when Batman mostly fought criminal syndicates and crime bosses. Everyone wants supervillains these days and, to be honest, there really aren't many to choose from with Batman. Not ones that wouldn't be more at home in a rubber-nippled Schumacher primary-color THAP! POW! extravabatganza, at any rate.
Scots Taffer on 8/8/2008 at 00:39
Did you like TDK, GBM?
fett on 8/8/2008 at 01:52
Quote Posted by Gingerbread Man
I miss the days when Batman mostly fought criminal syndicates and crime bosses. Everyone wants supervillains these days and, to be honest, there really aren't many to choose from with Batman. Not ones that wouldn't be more at home in a rubber-nippled Schumacher primary-color THAP! POW! extravabatganza, at any rate.
Agreed. In fact, the only thing fantastical in the Batman world is the extreme psychosis of the villains. Everything else is marginally more realistic than other superhero worlds.
Scots Taffer on 8/8/2008 at 02:31
The only real danger, as I see it, facing the Batman franchise and it's an inevitable one to be honest, is that Batman becomes second fiddle to the villains and their psychoses. That essentially happened here, though Batman was instrumental and personally involved in both the Joker's psychosis and Dent's rise and fall.
As long as they keep Batman as the "immovable" object of interest and obsession for the villains, they'll keep the franchise fresh... the problem with the others (and by this I mean Burton's Batman movies and the rest) is that it was just ZANY VILLAINS IN GOTHAM that Batman had to deal with. The Dark Knight handled this in such a beautifully organic way with the idea of escalation creating those supervillains, but you've got to keep it rooted in Batman's world otherwise it just becomes CRAZY GIMMICK VILLAIN versus GRUMP MAN IN BATSUIT.
By the way, I gotta say that I know nothing about Mad Hatter and I think Fafhrd's idea rocks hardcore. I didn't get to see TDK last night as I had planned but I'm sure when I do that thought of his will be percolating in the back of my brain.
Fafhrd on 8/8/2008 at 06:35
I'm sure Stitch will hate it (and it's really way, way too early to speculate on the story for the next film), since a vigilante Mad Hatter is a pretty significant departure from the character in the comics/cartoon, moreso even than the Joker as an agent of chaos or Harvey 'Punisher-face' Dent, but fuck it, the 'free will' theme is the most important part of the character's relationship with Batman.
