icemann on 28/7/2008 at 08:42
How we the community need heroes to look up to, to inspire us to be better people, rather than taking the dark side. Seemed pretty clear to me.
Angel Dust on 28/7/2008 at 08:46
I thought that Batman taking the blame for Dent's crimes was simply just for the reason that was pretty much spelt out: To prevent the Joker his biggest victory: That he corrupted the most just and pure of Gothams citizens thereby delivering the killer blow to the fragile city's spirit.
Scots Taffer on 28/7/2008 at 10:01
No, no, guys, I got all of that in the context of the movie - I thought Tocky was saying there was a modern day parallel.
Jesus Christ, guys. Keep with the program. I think that the whole being what Gotham needed him to be was an interesting notion that probably wasn't explored enough, seeing as it also entered his ethical considerations into the equation and forced him to re-evaluate his "rules", and the character development of sacrificing himself so that Dent's White Knight would go untarnished and hence allow the people of Gotham to believe in something more than just a caped vigilante was such a touching moment seeing as he's dedicated his life to helping the people of Gotham, so much so that he's willing to be reviled and hunted by them... that sort of spits in the eye of everyone who says Batman had zero character development. He was one poor tortured motherfucker in this movie, not to mention the whole letter.
jay pettitt on 28/7/2008 at 12:34
Thomas Hardy can do that; he spins characters that you feel for and it pains when he conspires to undo them. Batman had none of that, I could not muster a single sympathetic thought when Batty was being pwned by the Joker (neither for that matter did Bruce Wayne seem to care noticeably, other than falling asleep in a meeting) or when major characters got their 'cruel' comeuppances. Big special effects and gruesome CGI just doesn't cut it in that respect. Batman may have been tortured but he was hardly a character.
That said I was spared the last half hour of the film, but it was long dead by then so I can't imagine they managed to miraculously resuscitate it.
Oh, and it was noted that Bruce Wayne complained that he couldn't turn his head in Batsuit 1.0 and had Morgan Freeman make him a new flexible suit after which he was still as stiff and wooden as ever ho-de-do.
SubJeff on 28/7/2008 at 12:40
Did you actually see the new suit? It seems you just didn't get this film. Are you a fan of comic hero films at all? How you could not see that Wayne/Batman was tortured in this film says more about you than the film imho. And what Scots said.
ignatios on 28/7/2008 at 12:44
jay pettitt ought to be the new batman villain
Chimpy Chompy on 28/7/2008 at 12:47
i hope he undergoes some character development
van HellSing on 28/7/2008 at 12:53
Quote Posted by ignatios
jay pettitt ought to be the new batman villain
Still haven't seen the movie, but I have a feeling I might end up being jay's equally villainous sidekick.
Scots Taffer on 28/7/2008 at 12:59
Quote Posted by jay pettitt
I could not muster a single sympathetic thought when Batty was being pwned by the Joker (neither for that matter did Bruce Wayne seem to care noticeably, other than falling asleep in a meeting) or when major characters got their 'cruel' comeuppances. Big special effects and gruesome CGI just doesn't cut it in that respect.
I have no real way of properly responding to this because it's so far off the mark, Batman doesn't really start getting "pwned" by the Joker until much later than the "sleeping in the meeting" incident (which happens after the Scarecrow incident) and the results are far more pronounced than him sleeping on his day job, he obviously struggles with what he can and cannot do in order to try and keep Gotham from being overrun, he stretches his limits in almost every direction and yet still loses everything.
All of that development has practically zero to do with the action setpieces or gruesome CGI (I assume you mean Harvey) and so I don't really understand your issues at all. The big set pieces are merely the obstacles that Batman has to overcome to try to stop the Joker, but the Joker keeps putting more and more at stake for Batman to lose and eventually, he does!
and jesus christ the suit comment was a fucking joke at the expense of the original design
also, missed this earlier:
Quote Posted by Shakey-Lo
Harvey Dent did it, Batman is covering up for him.
lo-fucking-l
Stitch on 28/7/2008 at 15:47
Quote Posted by Chimpy Chompy
jay you're a miserable, miserable creature
I don't think Jay's take is any less based in reality than the gushing view of Scots and kin.
The Dark Knight is a pretty mixed affair, and Jay was even spared the movie's terrible last half hour.
Tocky: yeah, if you look for meaning beneath the surface
The Dark Knight is basically one big love note to the Bush administration's approach to handling terrorism. I actually don't think that was the filmmaker's intent, but such comparisons are inevitable when you draw so directly from the hot issues and fears of modern times.
